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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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29 Mr. BURLISON. It kept going. And it looks like the debris was taken with it. Mr. KNAPP. Yes. What the hell is that? What—— Mr. BURLISON. So,—— Mr. KNAPP. What flies like that? Mr. BURLISON [continuing]. Again, I am not going to speculate what it is. But the question is, you know, why are we being blocked from this information consistently? I want to ask this question. How in the world—this is the docu- ment. I want to enter this in for the record if it has not already been entered, Madam Chair. The document that you—— Mrs. LUNA. So, ordered. Mr. BURLISON [continuing]. Provided on Thread III, this is a huge file. How in the world did you smuggle this out of Russia? Mr. KNAPP. Carefully. Mr. BURLISON. In your socks? Mr. KNAPP. I do not think I want to be really specific about it because I might have to go back there and get some more some- time, though. Mr. BURLISON. Okay. Mr. KNAPP. No, that would be crazy to do that. Well, I—again, I took the top pages off that were stamped with the security signa- ture, and I carried them out on my person. But the rest of them, I just threw in my suitcase and threw some caviar in there as a distraction as well and hoped for the best. Otherwise, I would be a citizen of Siberia right now. Mr. BURLISON. And you reported James Lacatski came to you with government possession of non-human intelligence (NHI) craft and how they ultimately gained entry. Can you testify to the verac- ity of that claim? Mr. KNAPP. Dr. Lacatski is an honorable man who served most of his career with the DIA, a very trusted, high-level rocket sci- entist and intelligence analyst who inspired the AAWSAP program, as I said earlier. And in—you know, in full disclosure, I have co- written two books with him. He dropped this on myself and our other co-author out of the blue. And it took 14 months for us to get Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review (DOPSR) ap- proval for him to release two sentences on that. He said this craft, we had managed to get inside of it. It had no wings, no rotor, no tail. It had no fuel, no fuel tanks. They did not know how it flew or how it was operated. It clearly looked like it was aerodynamic, but he would not go further. He is a by-the-book guy, and until he gets clearance to say more about that, I do not think we are going to hear much more, but it is not ours. It was not ours. We did not make it. We did not know who made it and how it was built and how it operated. We have got at least one. And I do not know, I think that’s enough confirmation that we have—we do have—— Mr. BURLISON. And last—— Mr. KNAPP [continuing]. Recovered disks and materials. Mr. BURLISON. Lastly, Mr. Borland, in the classified realm, have you been exposed to undeniable confirmation of NHI technology? And then my second question is, is BAASS Systems involved in any
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