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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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26 Mr. KNAPP. Well, one of them is Lockheed. And I will you, I mean, you know, I am not saying Lockheed’s the bad guys. They are doing what they were asked to do. Mr. BURCHETT. Sure. Mr. KNAPP. They have lied about this because that is what they are supposed to do. But Lockheed would be one. There is a list I can give you, Congressman. Some of the big ones, the usual sus- pects. Mr. BURCHETT. Okay. Thank you. Yield back, Chairlady. Sorry for going over. Mrs. LUNA. It is all good. Mr. BURCHETT. It is all George Knapp’s fault. Mrs. LUNA. I now recognize Ms. Boebert for 5 minutes. Ms. BOEBERT. Thank you, Madam Chair. Chief Wiggins, based on your training and operational experi- ence, could the behavior that you witnessed, a transmedium object vanishing without a sound, be explained by any known technology that we possess or other governments possess? Chief WIGGINS. It cannot, no. Ms. BOEBERT. And has any government agency debriefed you or any of your shipmates regarding the Executive Office for Immigra- tion Review (EOIR) and radar-confirmed UAP encounter aboard USS Jackson? Chief WIGGINS. No one has, no, ma’am. Ms. BOEBERT. What was that encounter like when you brought that up, if you want to briefly summarize that? When you brought that to their attention and then you were not provided any fol- lowup, who was told, and how did you feel when there was no con- tact back to you? Chief WIGGINS. As far as the actual incident happening—— Ms. BOEBERT. Yes, sir. Mr. WIGGINS [continuing]. Or the reporting level? Ms. BOEBERT. Yes, Chief. Chief WIGGINS. It was—within the event happening, my duties are to report to the tactical action officer on watch while we are standing watch. So, a tactical action officer was there. I made my report. I have not had any discussion outside of that day. There has been no communication to me or requests from me to—you know, within the side of the military. But speaking of that actual incident itself, once the report was made to the tactical action officer, that is when I made the decision to ask the individual watchstander that was controlling SAFIRE to be able to slew into the location. And that is what you see in the video itself is when the watchstander is slewing in and kind of showing us what we are looking at. But outside of that, that is as far as the reporting went that I know of. Ms. BOEBERT. Thank you, Chief. Just for the sake of time, Mr. Nuccetelli, has AARO, the Air Force, or the FBI ever followed up with you personally about the red square event? Mr. NUCCETELLI. I did have followup by AARO, nothing with the Air Force. The AARO office updated me, I think, at least two times. They let me know that they were unable to locate any records, that the records had been destroyed by the Air Force. The Air Force is
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