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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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24 My first question is, Mr. Knapp, I recently introduced the UAP Whistleblower Protection Act to help provide whistleblower protec- tion to Federal personnel for disclosing the use of Federal taxpayer funds to investigate UFOs. I still do not want to say UAPs. How can Congress further increase whistleblower protections? Mr. KNAPP. I think you have got to unleash the dogs and go track down the money and where it goes because a lot of this stuff has been moved out of government—— Mr. BURCHETT. Sure. Mr. KNAPP [continuing]. As you know, Rep. Burchett. It has been given to private contractors who have stashed it away. They have had it for so long that there is nobody left inside government, or very few, who know where it is. Mr. BURCHETT. And they do that to keep us from FOIA, correct? Mr. KNAPP. Sure. Yes—— Mr. BURCHETT. Yes. Mr. KNAPP. [continuing]. It is to keep it from FOIA. And I think that the contractors who have had this stuff for a very long time set their own standards about who is allowed to know what, and it is a very small group that ever cracks that. I think Rep. Luna has been looking at the use of classifications to hide things. I am not sure that even this Committee getting se- curity clearances that should allow you to see this stuff would allow you to follow where it really goes. Mr. BURCHETT. I worry about the people that are looking at it do not even know what they are looking at. I mean, it has gone through so many—I mean, since Roswell, for instance. I mean, you think there is nobody even alive that was around any of that stuff so—— Mr. KNAPP. Yes, I do not think they have made much progress— from the people that I have talked to, I do not think they have made much progress in learning that technology. Might have made some, but you wonder, you know, the implication is tic-tac, oh, yes, that is ours. What flew over Washington, D.C. in 1952, is that ours too? When are you going to break that out? You guys authorized tens of billions, hundreds of billions of dollars on weapons systems that cannot do half of what we have seen UFOs do. So, when do they break this out if it’s really a classified project could change the world? I do not think they have made much progress, and I think they have been lying to us and to you and the rest of the world, and they are still doing it. Mr. BURCHETT. Yes, sir, I agree with you. How did you manage to obtain the classified Russian UAP documents? And how did you get them back in the United States? Mr. KNAPP. Well, I met this Russian physicist who was in the United States—— Mr. BURCHETT. And I want to clarify that. I cannot even take a thing of honey home on my airplane—— Mr. KNAPP. Yes. Mr. BURCHETT [continuing]. When I fly back to Tennessee, so—— Mr. KNAPP. Yes, I did something pretty dumb—— Mr. BURCHETT. And I am bitter about it, but go ahead. Mr. KNAPP. Yes. I did something kind of dumb. I met with these officials who, you know, during that time period, Glasnost,
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