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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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21 Ms. MACE [continuing]. The other things. Mr. BORLAND. It would, pending if I am even legally allowed to speak on, and the people in the room are even legally allowed to hear it. Ms. MACE. And would we need to know like the compartmen- talized word, like what the code word is or the name of the pro- gram, the special access program, or even hear it? You have to know the word, right? Mr. BORLAND. I would—— Ms. MACE. The name of it, right? Mr. BORLAND. I would suggest that to the—as to Director of Na- tional Intelligence (DNI) Gabbard and work with her for that be- cause I cannot give you the answer on what is the requirement—— Ms. MACE. But this is what the U.S. Government does, right? They compartmentalize the information. Only certain people know the name of the program, and if you do not know it, you cannot get the information. If you do not have the name, you do not know what to ask for. Even when we are reviewing the budget, we go into a SCIF, we look at DOD budget and the budget of like black box programs, and we do not know what we are looking at because we do not know what these programs are. Is it a way for the gov- ernment to hide from Congress what is really going on and where the money is going? Mr. BORLAND. In my opinion, absolutely, yes. Ms. MACE. You mentioned too in your testimony earlier that you went to speak with the government and they said somebody’s name, a colleague’s name, and you said they should not have men- tioned that staff person’s name. What does that mean? Mr. BORLAND. A Senate staffer who was the one who helped me get to AARO recommended me I go there, gave me the email and the phone number because I could not find that information at all at the time. In fact, I believe you guys have talked about how AARO did not even have a website for quite a period of time. Ms. MACE. We were told they were going to do disclosures, both what they have debunked, because some of it can be debunked, and then what they have not been able to debunk. And to my knowl- edge, you know, it has not been a thing. I only have 1 minute left, so Mr. Knapp, we are definitely going to you, watch every documentary. You and Jeremy have done a ter- rific job. I usually have more questions than I have answers. I think we all do. And you guys are doing a terrific job to bring infor- mation to the public. Do you think that any of this is a psyop by the U.S. Government? Mr. KNAPP. Entirely possible. I mean, they have—our govern- ment and other governments have admitted that they have tried to use UFOs to cover secret projects. But I think they also do some reverse engineering of those claims. So, years after people start seeing UFOs over Area 51, for example, they come up with a story. Oh, yes, that was—we planted that story. So, I read in a major newspaper just a couple of weeks ago, they planted this story. An Air Force colonel went out into the desert, went to a bar at Rachel and gave them some fake UFO photos, and that is how the whole story about Area 51 started, which is preposterous.
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