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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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19 Mr. BORLAND. I actually kind of laughed to myself and said, okay, so this exists as well. Worked in enough programs, been ex- posed to enough that I was like, okay, so this is a real thing. I went back, walked the track, talked with a couple of my friends about it. I did talk with some of my coworkers, one in particular, which I thought was a joke, and it definitely was not, was like, you prob- ably should never say this to anybody. And then what happened to me happened, so—— Mr. MOSKOWITZ. What about you, Mr.—how do you pronounce your last name? Mr. NUCCETELLI. Nuccetelli. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. Nuccetelli. And sorry, I know I am running out of time, Madam Chairwoman. So obviously, your incident happened well before we could record things on cell phones and things of that nature, right? What did you do when you first experienced—be- cause what you saw, right, you saw it happen like right out of your base. Mr. NUCCETELLI. Correct. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. So, tell me what you did after you saw that. What was like your next move? And I want to hear what your ex- perience was. Mr. NUCCETELLI. My next move, I went into my house after it left. I made sure no one had been abducted. And I picked up the landline. I called the Security Forces Command Center. I reported it. I requested that they give me a call back and make notifications up the chain of command. I got a call back in about 15 minutes. They reported that the weather station reported no balloons or air- craft, nothing on radar, no aircraft inbound or outbound, so I got that notification. And then within the following day or two, me and the other witnesses wrote statements, we prepared a report, and then we filed all that information. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. Madam Chairman, thank you for your indul- gence in my questioning, and thank you for continuing to lead on this subject. What do you and your friends think about it today? You all have talked about it. Mr. NUCCETELLI. Yes. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. I mean, so what do you think about your experi- ence as a collective group? That will be my last question, Madam Chairwoman. Mr. NUCCETELLI. I mean, we have been talking about this for 20 years. We do not know what we saw. What we saw changed our lives and the way we think about everything. It was incredibly pro- found. The object I saw, I do not even know if it was an object. It was a light. It was an orb. It did not look like a craft, but it did look solid. And that is what we talk about. We noticed the object. And this was a pattern across all the en- counters. Someone would see a light. They would pay attention to the light. And then the object responds. It performs for you. And then they come down and they investigate you. So, it is almost like they are curious. So that is the thing we primarily talk about. You know, why did it come after we noticed it? Maybe it noticed us after we noticed it. Mrs. LUNA. I now recognize Representative Mace for 5 minutes.
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