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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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18 Chief WIGGINS. My first thoughts were I think everything that I was told and taught as a kid and a growing adult no longer, you know, was applicable. If I am able to see something that I thought defies gravity in such a way, then what else could be possible? That was my first thought. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. So, did you think what you were looking at was a weapons program that you were unaware of? Or did you think what you were looking at was obviously some extraterrestrial piece of technology? Chief WIGGINS. I did not—I—neither one of those crossed my mind. It was just in the—— Mr. MOSKOWITZ. How about now? What do you think it is now? Chief WIGGINS. I am not the expert. I think it—I want to be as skeptical as everyone else and just hope to know the informa- tion—— Mr. MOSKOWITZ. Did anyone in the U.S. Government tell you what you were looking at to try to dissuade you from what you thought it was? Chief WIGGINS. No. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. So, no one was like, oh, you know, there was some anomaly with the technology? No one from the government did that? Chief WIGGINS. No one. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. How do you think you were treated when you reported this information or talked about—you know, the TikTok video is well out there. It is well reported. How were you treated? Chief WIGGINS. I have had no pushback at all. I have not had anyone reach out to me or try to, you know, dissuade me in either direction, militarily speaking. So, I was treated fair, and I appre- ciate the Navy itself with assisting me with coming here to being able to testify. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. That is good. So, what do you think the Amer- ican people should take away from watching your video, right? Be- cause when we watch it, obviously, right, we have never seen any- thing like that. It defies what we know to be technologically pos- sible. What are we supposed to think? Someone is lying about something. Someone is hiding something, right? That is not nor- mal, what you looked at. Chief WIGGINS. I think what the American people should think when seeing that video, along with others before me, is that there is something out there, and we should know as the people what it is.Mr. MOSKOWITZ. Right. And so, let us eliminate possibilities. So, they did not come to you and say there was a technological error with what you were looking at, so we put that aside, right? They did not say it was broken. So, we look at that, and we see some- thing. So, it is either a weapons program being reverse-engineered by our governments or other governments, or it is nobody’s govern- ment, and it is not from here. Those are it. Do you agree with that assessment? Chief WIGGINS. I agree, one or the other. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. Mr. Borland, when you first experienced what you were looking at, what did you do next? Like what was your next step after it had passed and you were done?
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