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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
16 Without objection, so ordered. I now recognize myself for 5 minutes of questioning. Also, as my friend Mr. Moskowitz might have to go, would you like to go now? Okay. All right. Mr. Borland, in your testimony, you described witnessing large triangular craft while stationed at Langley Air Force Base in 2012. Can you explain what you observed in terms of size, behavior, and why you are confident it was not conventional technology? Mr. BORLAND. Great question, ma’am. So, on barracks—on the base, I lived in the barracks. There was a little smoke pit outside. I was there on the telephone and looking across to the flightline, and I see a white light pop up and stop about 100 feet in the air. I thought it was a weather balloon. I have seen tests from there before, a weeknight, you know, normal thing, not surprising. I actually finished my cigarette, and I began walking up toward the flightline. There is a track, and because I was on three months of night work, I began—I would walk the track at night when we were weathered down. And as I began walking toward the light, to- ward the flightline and the track, the light then flies across the base, across the flightline, and as it flies to me, a triangle mani- fests around the light. I cannot tell you if it is active camouflage. I cannot tell you if it appeared around the light, but I can tell you that it was a white light, and then it was a triangle. It stopped about 100 feet in front of me and approximately 100 feet above me. My telephone got extremely hot, completely froze, dead. I remember how thick it was. It was between one to two sto- ries thick, equilateral triangle. I could never see the top of it, and the edges were 90 degree—90 degrees. There were four lights in total, one light on each corner, and a larger light in the center, two to three times the size of the corner lights. But what was really odd was the outside. The best way to de- scribe it is like looking at a James Webb telescope picture where you have the colors and then the black background. So, the craft itself was this black metallic flake paint, but on top of the craft was this gold, lava, plasma, some type of fluid going over and around the craft. I am under this for about 2 to 3 minutes, and then the center light flashes two to three times, no sound, immediately shoots up to commercial jet level minimum, in my opinion, and I immediately feel static electricity all over my body, and then I smell the smell of after a thunderstorm or lightning storm, that really strong sum- mer thunderstorm smell. It gets up to flight level. I am trying to get my phone reset, and I can only see the center light at this point. If I did not actually see it take off, I would have thought it was a star. And then it hov- ers up there, and it begins to slowly move due east out over the Atlantic Ocean. I finally got my phone reset. The entire thing was about—from the time I saw the light pop up near the hangar until it took off out over the ocean was about 15 minutes. Mrs. LUNA. And following up to that question, after you disclose this information to the intelligence community inspector general, you are subject to phishing attempts and job blacklisting. How widespread do you think this is across the intelligence community for those who raise concerns regarding UAP programs?
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