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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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13 workplace harassment, including colleagues being directed to not speak with me; manipulation of my security clearance by certain agencies blocking, delaying, and ultimately removing my ability to be employed within the IC. The retaliation I faced and the retaliation against individuals I know who worked in these programs is what convinced me in March 2023 to become a whistleblower. I came forward out of con- cern for people’s lives and to ensure I did everything I could to let our elected representatives know the truth about what is really happening in the executive branch. At the end of March 2023, I agreed to meet with AARO following the suggestion of other Federal officials, believing it was what our Nation required of me. I had reservations with AARO due to as- sessments they were reporting publicly at the time as a misrepre- sentation of the truth. Because of these concerns, I did not share sources and methods information in order to protect current and former Federal personnel who had firsthand exposure to tech- nologies of unknown origin. I did not want anyone to face further retaliation beyond what they had already endured, and unfortu- nately, a staff member ended up getting in some trouble because of that. After David Grusch testified under oath in the summer of 2023 and provided historic disclosure, I was then asked to go to the IC IG and did so in August 2023. It was very clear early on during my intake interview, which was video recorded under oath, that the objective was to solely assess how much I know and not move forward with an investigation with new information I provided them. The aftermath of that IG complaint still troubles me to this day. Since my IC IG complaint, I have been prevented from assuming prior employment and can confirm I am still blacklisted from cer- tain agencies within the intelligence community. In addition, mul- tiple agencies attempted phishing attacks to assess what I had di- vulged to the inspector general, including being asked to disclose details of my IC IG complaint during a Counterintelligence (CI) polygraph for a position unrelated to UFO/UAP matters as recently as November 2024. As I sit before you today, I and many other whistleblowers have no job prospects, no foreseeable professional future in a nation every single one of us came forward to defend. Numerous individ- uals have come forward in various ways to reveal the truth of the UAP reality as patriots and defenders of our Nation, yet many feel discarded, isolated, hopeless, separated from the country they serve. Efforts to rectify this situation for all whistleblowers have been difficult and troubling, and to my fellow whistleblowers and officials who know this information, I offer you my apology, some- thing that I have never gotten, and I am giving it to you. I swore an oath to the Constitution of the United States, an oath that demands truth and transparency for our democratic republic to function. Each day these truths remain hidden from our citizens as humanity drifts further from the principles our Nation was founded to uphold. Each day, victims of crimes committed by agen- cies and companies maintaining this secrecy are denied justice is another day our Constitution is shredded.
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