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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
11 was active, the DIA’s contractor, Robert Bigelow of Las Vegas, made a bold attempt to acquire physical proof of UFO crashes. It has been widely reported and suspected that Lockheed Martin is one of the contractors—the defense contractors, that has held this stuff, stored it away in secrecy, and tried to figure out how it works. I have confirmed on the record that Robert Bigelow and a trusted colleague from AAWSAP met with and negotiated with senior ex- ecutives at Lockheed Martin and hammered out a deal wherein Bigelow’s company, BAASS, would receive a quantity of unusual material that had been stashed away and protected at a facility in California. That material was not made here. I want to move on now to the Russia files because that was going to be sort of the central impetus of what I was going to talk to you about today. Back in the early 1990s, I got into Russia, met with a number of their defense officials, ministry of defense and others, who confirmed for me that Russia had been doing the same thing that the United States had been doing, that is, secretly studying UFOs while publicly saying something completely different. The documents and interviews that I obtained and have now shared with this Task Force show that the USSR launched what is almost certainly the largest UFO/UAP investigation in the world. The first phase of that was an order was sent out to the entire USSR military empire that every unit, you see anything strange in the sky, a craft, an orb, something unusual, you had to gather all the evidence, collect testimony from the witnesses, look for physical evidence, and all of that information went into one program at the Ministry of Defense. Thousands and thousands of these reports came in. A lot of them were first routed to the KGB but then back to another program that came after this collection effort called Thread III, and Thread III was an analysis program. We provided to the Committee the documents of what they were trying to do, and essentially, they were trying to build their own UFOs. They were using the informa- tion from their observations and studies to try to figure out the technology. The guy who was in charge of that program, Colonel Boris Sokolov, told me that their goal was to basically develop tech- nology that would be superior to anything we had based on what they learned from UFOs. Mrs. LUNA. Mr. Knapp, just in the name of time—— Mr. KNAPP. Sure. Mrs. LUNA [continuing]. To my understanding, did you have any- thing you wanted to submit for Congress to see in this Committee? Mr. KNAPP. I have submitted those documents. There is—— Mrs. LUNA. Would you like to play any videos? Do you have a video that you would like to play? Mr. KNAPP. I do not think it is for me to play. Yes, Alexandro’s video. Mrs. LUNA. Okay. Mr. KNAPP. You could play it. He could narrate it. Mrs. LUNA. Okay. In the name of showing that video to everyone on the Task Force, we would like to play that video at this time. Mr. KNAPP. Sure. Mrs. LUNA. If we can get rid of the audio real quick.
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