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Restoring Public Trust Through Uap Transparency and Whistleblower Protection

U.S. House of Representatives · 2025-09-09 · 54 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.

  • p. 1 …PUBLIC TRUST THROUGH UAP TRANSPARENCY AND WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION HEARING BEFORE THE TASK FORCE ON THE DECLASSIFICATION…
  • p. 5 …HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM TASK FORCE ON THE DECLASSIFICATION OF FEDERAL…
  • p. 7 …and I hope my colleagues on this Task Force will be able to do the same…
  • p. 8 …former director of the government’s UAP Task Force, the former head of aviation security for…
  • p. 10 …Thank you, Chairwoman Luna, Ranking Member Crockett, and Members of the Task Force, for giving us…
  • p. 12 …Good morning, Chairwoman Luna, Ranking Member Crockett, and Members of the Task Force and the Com…
  • p. 13 …I want to underscore three points for the Task Force and the Committee. Aviation and maritime…
  • p. 15 …Task Force show that the USSR launched what is almost certainly the largest UFO/UAP investigation…
  • p. 16 …UAP WITNESS U.S. AIR FORCE VETERAN Mr. BORLAND. Good morning, Members of the Task Force…
  • p. 18 …Chairwoman Luna, Ranking Member Crockett, and Task Force members, thank you for the opportunity to testify…
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I know that one of the goals of the Task Force here is to figure
out ways to protect whistleblowers and witnesses, and it is a tall
order because so many of the things that happen to witnesses like
these are extra-legal. They are carried out by persons unknown, as
Mr. Dave Grusch, sitting up at the top of the room, knows all too
well, including events in recent days to—that have happened to
him.
I want to share a couple of things that I have learned along the
way on this long journey, and I submitted most of that in written
form because I estimate that my statement here today would take
about 4 1/2 hours, so I am going to try to jump over and touch on
the more important salient points. I submitted the detailed written
statement for the record and will not go into a lot of that here, but
the—you know, public has been told over and over since the late
1940s there is nothing to worry about here. These mysterious craft
seen by millions of people in the skies, in the oceans, over the land,
are not real. They are not a threat, the witnesses are wrong, they
are crackpots, do not believe it.
That changed for me. What got me hooked is the paper trail, doc-
uments that were squeezed out of the U.S. Government after the
FOIA, Freedom of Information Act, became the law of the land.
And those documents paint a much different picture than what the
public, the press, and Congress have been told over many years.
The documents from military and intelligence personnel behind
closed doors admit that ‘‘These things are real.’’ They are not ficti-
tious. They can fly in formation, they are evasive, and they out-
perform any aircraft known to exist, including ours.
The public, of course, as I said, has been told something much
different. You know, back in 1989, I reported about a guy named
Bob Lazar, who claimed that he worked at a facility dubbed S4 out
in the Nevada desert, very near to Area 51. He said he was part
of a reverse engineering program. He said there are alien craft that
would be taken apart to figure out how they operated out there,
and that was a tall order. I had clearly taken a dive into the deep
end of the pool there. But in the years since then, I have inter-
viewed dozens of other people, and I have detailed what their testi-
mony has been in the written statement. They include Senator
Harry Reid; Senator Howard Cannon, also of Nevada; a guy named
Al O’Donnell, who was the first general manager of EG&G in Ne-
vada, which managed the Nevada test site, which blew up hun-
dreds of nuclear weapons.
There is a guy named Dr. James Lacatski, who was a career sci-
entist with the Defense Intelligence Agency, who was the guy who
initiated a program called AAWSAP, Advanced Aerospace Weapons
Systems Application Program, which is, as far as we know, the
largest acknowledged UFO program ever funded by the U.S. Gov-
ernment, which put together an amazing pile of information that
members of this Committee and the world, most of which have
never seen. The DIA still has not released 95 percent of what was
prepared by that program at a cost of millions and millions of dol-
lars.
The one name I do want to bring up in this section—session,
though, is Robert Bigelow. So, looking into the idea of crash re-
trievals and reverse engineering, while AAWSAP, that program,

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