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This is the printed transcript of a September 9, 2025 hearing held by the U.S. House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna. The witnesses were Jeffrey Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, George Knapp, Dylan Borland and Joe Spielberger. They described UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base from 2003 to 2005 and a tic-tac-shaped object seen from USS Jackson in 2023. Members criticized AARO and called for whistleblower protections and the UAP Disclosure Act.
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10 I know that one of the goals of the Task Force here is to figure out ways to protect whistleblowers and witnesses, and it is a tall order because so many of the things that happen to witnesses like these are extra-legal. They are carried out by persons unknown, as Mr. Dave Grusch, sitting up at the top of the room, knows all too well, including events in recent days to—that have happened to him. I want to share a couple of things that I have learned along the way on this long journey, and I submitted most of that in written form because I estimate that my statement here today would take about 4 1/2 hours, so I am going to try to jump over and touch on the more important salient points. I submitted the detailed written statement for the record and will not go into a lot of that here, but the—you know, public has been told over and over since the late 1940s there is nothing to worry about here. These mysterious craft seen by millions of people in the skies, in the oceans, over the land, are not real. They are not a threat, the witnesses are wrong, they are crackpots, do not believe it. That changed for me. What got me hooked is the paper trail, doc- uments that were squeezed out of the U.S. Government after the FOIA, Freedom of Information Act, became the law of the land. And those documents paint a much different picture than what the public, the press, and Congress have been told over many years. The documents from military and intelligence personnel behind closed doors admit that ‘‘These things are real.’’ They are not ficti- tious. They can fly in formation, they are evasive, and they out- perform any aircraft known to exist, including ours. The public, of course, as I said, has been told something much different. You know, back in 1989, I reported about a guy named Bob Lazar, who claimed that he worked at a facility dubbed S4 out in the Nevada desert, very near to Area 51. He said he was part of a reverse engineering program. He said there are alien craft that would be taken apart to figure out how they operated out there, and that was a tall order. I had clearly taken a dive into the deep end of the pool there. But in the years since then, I have inter- viewed dozens of other people, and I have detailed what their testi- mony has been in the written statement. They include Senator Harry Reid; Senator Howard Cannon, also of Nevada; a guy named Al O’Donnell, who was the first general manager of EG&G in Ne- vada, which managed the Nevada test site, which blew up hun- dreds of nuclear weapons. There is a guy named Dr. James Lacatski, who was a career sci- entist with the Defense Intelligence Agency, who was the guy who initiated a program called AAWSAP, Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program, which is, as far as we know, the largest acknowledged UFO program ever funded by the U.S. Gov- ernment, which put together an amazing pile of information that members of this Committee and the world, most of which have never seen. The DIA still has not released 95 percent of what was prepared by that program at a cost of millions and millions of dol- lars. The one name I do want to bring up in this section—session, though, is Robert Bigelow. So, looking into the idea of crash re- trievals and reverse engineering, while AAWSAP, that program,
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