65 HS1-834228961 62-HQ-83894 Section 003

-• August 19, 1947
refuse to furnish any further infonnation.
On August 5, 1947 Special Aeent DAVID A. ~acCULLOCH was
contacted in the resident agency office, Tacoma, ,/ashington by _RSI) CRISMAN.
At this time CRISI:AN asked if the .3eattle Office was investigation the crash
of the B- 25 and he was infonned that no investigation was being conducted by
the Seattle Office. CRI~L\N at this time related in a rambling story that he
had picked up some strange rock formations v. '1ich he had forwarded to a f riend
of his in the University of Chicago to have analyzed and that later, in some
manner unknown to him, these rock formations had been reported as being frag
ments of a flying disc.
On .'\.ugust 7, 1947 FRZD CRIS.MN and H.' ROID DAHL were inter
viewed at the Tacoma resident agency office. Both DAHL and CRISJAN at first
denied any knowledge of how the rock fonnations which they had picked up to
have alalyzed became connected with the flying disc stories. Both denied
making any statement to anyone that these rock formations were portions of a
disc fragment . It v;as apparent from the start of the interview that DAHL and
CRIS'JAN were not telling their complete and true connection with the flying
disc story. They refused to give any definite infonnation as to what they said
or had done which caused them to become involved in a flying disc story, but
gave evasive answers and repeatedly stated that they had nothing to do with it
and were at a loss to understand ho~ they became connected with the flying disc
story. After considerable questioning, they stated that in the early part of
Jun¥they sent to R PAU:ER of t~ Ziff- Davis Publishing Company which published
t~Fantasy magazine in Chicago and the Venture magazine in Evanston, Illinois,
some rock fonnations' v,hich they had found on ~Jaury Island. They stated they
sent these fonnations, asking PAI.LlER to have them analyzed. They stated that
later PAIUER wrote and asked for more samples, advising he had failed to analyze
the samples. CRIS:1AN and DAHL stated they have never sent any additional samples
and that the next they heard regarding the rock formations which they had sent
PAillER was when he called HAROLD DAHL and asked if the rock formations could
have come from a flying disc. DAHL stated he made some remark that they possibly
could have come from a flying disc and that he immediately sat down and wrote
a letter to PAlliER, which was in the latter part of June in v1hich he stated
the material could have been portions of a flying disc . DAHL claimed that he
thought he told PAll!ER over the phone something about being in his boat vihen
he obtained these rock formations, but stated he could not recall what he had
written to PAI.MER and claimed that he passed the whole thing off as a joke.
CRI~:AN and DAHL were questioned at length in an attempt to obtain specific
inforraation as to exactly what each one had done with regard t o the rock forma
tions. However, each stated that the only thing they had done was tell RAY PAI11ER
the formations could have come from a flying disc in vie~ of the fact it appeared
11that ' s what he wanted them to say" . No definite infonnation could be obtained
from either DAHL or CRIS:AN as to what each specifically had done to start the
f l ying disc story.
The signed state:nent which was obtained from CRIS!IAN and