roswell

COL TRAKOWSKI - 6/29/94 9
Q: At some point in Project MOGUL did you utilize equipment based at Roswell Army Air
Field?
A: No, we had our own aircraft based at Fort Dix, New Jersey.
Q: Did you ever have a rawinsonde receiver at Roswell?
A: Not to my memory. No. We may have, but the specifics on that, I don't recall.
Q: Can you think of any reason why Dr. Peoples would meet with one of the bomb squadron
commanders at Roswell in September of 1947?
A: Probably to arrange air drops of bombs as signal sources for testing the MOGUL sound
receivers. We had a fellow who was assigned to the electronics test squadron at Fort Dix by the name of
Duff, Eugene Duff, an ordnance expert, and he may have been involved in arranging for bombs to be
exploded in the air as sound signal sources for testing the MOGUL receivers.
Q: Did you also procure aircraft from Middletown, Pennsylvania?
A: Yes. I believe our electronic squadron was moved from Fort Dix to Middletown-to
Olmstead Air Force Base. When that was, I can't exactly pinpoint, but it was probably some time in 1947.
Gene Duff, our ordnance man, was a part of that group. I don't know whether Gene Duff stillli ves or not,
but he is a name that you might look into. Eugene Duff.
Q: Has anyone asked you to explain what happened at Roswell? In your opinion, what
happened?
A: Until these recent inquiries, I don't recall anyone asking me to explain. I don't recall it
ever coming up for me to answer in connection with the MOGUL tests. I don't recall that. You know,
things happen every day, and you treat crises from moment to moment as though they were so much
cordwood. They aren't all worthy of memory. But I don't recall it.
Q: Other than our conversation here today, has anyone ever discussed with you not talking
about MOGUL? It's essentially declassified-it is no longer a classified project-but has anyone in the
government-the Air Force, the Army, the Department of Energy, or anyone else-ever said don't discuss
this?
A: Absolutely not. No such thing.
Q: What we're trying to do is make sure we are open to the General Accounting Office and
to the American public as a whole when we publish our reports. So to all the people we've discussed this
with, we want to make absolutely certain that someone has not come to them and said, you're going to
get in the cover story. We want this to be as open as possible and get this thing resolved once and for all.
There are going to be those individuals-as you have stated, the true believers-who may not accept what
we have to say, but we just want to try to get everything out in the open.