“Nevers”49 pages
- p. 17 …of alien beings and elusive vehicles which never quite
seem to manifest themselves. Regardless of one…
- p. 31 …Conversely, there
has never been any previous documentary evidence produced by those who
would debunk the…
- p. 32 …This had never been
officially done before, although most of the persons contacted reported that they…
- p. 40 …Lt Col Cavitt also
stated that he had never taken any oath or signed any agreement…
- p. 77 …Because this conclusion is based on
the absence of documentation, the issue can never be definitively…
- p. 99 …H written, there is
good evidence through accessioning and microfilming records that the Agency never
received…
- p. 101 …histories and
supporting documents, and it has never routinely received the kind of records which
might…
- p. 159 …I have never been sworn to any form of secrecy by anyone concerning this matter and…
- p. 165 …It never crossed my mind that it could be anything but a radio sonde.
RW: How…
- p. 168 …as far as I knew, I never heard anyone say, "Don't talk about this
and…
- p. 169 …I never met LaPaz personally, but I knew what he was.
RW: Did Rickett go with…
- p. 170 …I forget since I was there in the Washington
area for awhile but I never did…
- p. 172 …To the best of my recollection, I never met the rancher, Brazel.
RW: O.K., because…
- p. 173 …rve never seen a Geiger counter myseU: but I didn't know if you knew what…
- p. 174 …ordered Marcel to accompany the rancher back
to Corona, •· You said you never saw... and then…
- p. 175 …I never had any idea that it was anything with the V-2. They told us…
- p. 177 …You and I never saw this. You don't see
any military people or military vehicles…
- p. 178 …said in a facetious way: "Lets make out like it never existed, because we're wasting…
- p. 179 …to him the crash and recovery had never happened.
There was no investigation on the Foster…
- p. 182 …No, I never saw this.
SC: I don't know what that is from.
RW: "But…
- p. 183 …So, some of there
records were TS and still are.) That is because they have never…
- p. 185 …Cav never
told me anything. He said nl never tell you anything then you won't…
- p. 189 …I am quite sure that we never gave it a thought until that book.
- p. 190 …Now, we have never found the ftight records to
substantiate that, so I don't know…
- p. 202 …related
to this inquicy and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning not…
- p. 207 …related to this inquiry
and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning refraining…
- p. 213 …We never considered a ..planneq cover story; we were concerned with security.
I was the project…
- p. 214 …I never obsCJVed any of the balloon "trains" but I
did see some of the early…
- p. 225 …and subsequent models were
brand new, had never flown anything like that in this area.
A…
- p. 228 …I'd never heard the
name Mogul -- the classification was that high. I knew what we…
- p. 240 …I just wanted to see
if there had been anything stated to you never to discuss…
- p. 242 …but I never knew Marcel.
in my mind, and there are
Yeah, I knew that guy…
- p. 243 …I've never seen a Japanese balloon that I know
of, I've never seen the…
- p. 246 …No, I've never seen this.
Trakowski argued that even the name Mogul was classified,
and…
- p. 249 …Out PM with
several NYU men by weapons carrier, but we never located it.
Rocket postponed…
- p. 264 …As far as I know we just
never interfaced with the military.
Q: Where were you…
- p. 266 …We never saw
anybody in security. There was certainly nobody keeping us
secure. If anything, we…
- p. 273 …who was writing a story,
and I never quite could determine whether he was on the…
- p. 274 …I have never seen such a document nor have I ever heard of
any effort to…
- p. 277 …radar
reflectors for tracking purposes-but it never comes out talking about MOGUL and the instrumentation…
- p. 278 …I never met Richard Robert Crane. I knew him only by the path of debris he…
- p. 282 …They never said it, but I know they did because they left me free to
do…
- p. 318 …Before now, however, a larger portion of the story was never
told. Recent research indicates that…
- p. 320 …and Project MOGUL as first conceived was never put into operational 1use.
However, MOGUL did serve…
- p. 321 …Moore, NYU Constant-Level
Balloon Project Engineer, stated that they were never informed of the classified…
- p. 567 …and this flight 11as never recovered. Pre-
sumably the marked easterly flow then observed above 60…
- p. 591 …ficienoy since on-ot.f' operation was never per-
mitted.
The temperature data of' these flights…
- p. 740 …The theodolite lost the balloon in clouds earlier and
the airplane observer never succeeded in seeing…
- p. 815 …Out pm with several NYU by weapon carrier but we never located it. Rocket
postponed until…
Colonel Albert Trakowski
29 June 1994
Q: We have [concluded) independently from several other researchers the fact that MOGUL
is probably responsible for the so-called Roswell incident... The Air Force position on that is that it was
a misidentified balloon. The balloon was not a weather balloon, but was then a classified project, Project
MOGUL, which has since been declassified.
What we have not found is any documented evidence that there was a planned cover story related
to Project MOGUL. Jim has culled through literally millions of pages in various archives and repositories
trying to find some sort of documented evidence where somebody at some level has stated that a cover
story of weather research or weather-related activities would be used for Project MOGUL, the real purpose
of which was nuclear detection ...
(Pause)
A: ... All of that is to say that I know these people, and I know of what their involvement was,
so I can at least give credibility and corroboration to what it was they did and where they fit in the
picture.
There have been several writers who have been interested in this story, and they have been in
touch with me. I have given them a lot of words, and in some cases documents that I had in my personal
files. They were at first a Charles [Robert) Todd, from Ardmore, Pennsylvania, who was writing a story,
and I never quite could determine whether he was on the side of the believers in UFOs or was writing to
refute the believers. That I really was unsure of. One thing, he did appear to be sincere in getting the facts
that surrounded the matter.
Another was a Charles Ziegler, a professor of physics at Brandeis University who was writing a
monograph or perhaps a book on the history of nuclear weapons detection. It figured, of course, that
Project MOGUL would come into view. So he had done a great deal of documentary searching and had
found some documents that I did not have. For example, the original letter from Maurice Ewing to Carl
Spaatz, then Chief of Staff of the Air Force. And some of the original letters of General Spaatz directing
the establishment of Project MOGUL. All of this Charles Ziegler apparently found, and I did not have them
at all.
Another fellow recently came into view, a Carl Pflock from Albuquerque, New Mexico. He
appeared to want to substantiate the existence of the UFO incident as a UFO. I have a tape here, a one-
sided tape, my half of the conversation only, with him. You're welcome to listen to that.
Charlie Moore has been in it since the beginning. Charlie was not a general project scientist or
engineer on Project MOGUL. His efforts were confined to the development of the constant level balloons
which were the instrument carriers for the devices that we hoped would pick up the sound waves operating
in the sound channel in the stratosphere. The constant level balloon was the lifting mechanism, and Charlie
was the principal in the development of that.
All of these things I have recorded on this tape to Mr. Pflock and also on the tapes that I made
for Ruth Liebowitz, the historian at the Air Force Cambridge Research Center.