“Nevers”49 pages
- p. 17 …of alien beings and elusive vehicles which never quite
seem to manifest themselves. Regardless of one…
- p. 31 …Conversely, there
has never been any previous documentary evidence produced by those who
would debunk the…
- p. 32 …This had never been
officially done before, although most of the persons contacted reported that they…
- p. 40 …Lt Col Cavitt also
stated that he had never taken any oath or signed any agreement…
- p. 77 …Because this conclusion is based on
the absence of documentation, the issue can never be definitively…
- p. 99 …H written, there is
good evidence through accessioning and microfilming records that the Agency never
received…
- p. 101 …histories and
supporting documents, and it has never routinely received the kind of records which
might…
- p. 159 …I have never been sworn to any form of secrecy by anyone concerning this matter and…
- p. 165 …It never crossed my mind that it could be anything but a radio sonde.
RW: How…
- p. 168 …as far as I knew, I never heard anyone say, "Don't talk about this
and…
- p. 169 …I never met LaPaz personally, but I knew what he was.
RW: Did Rickett go with…
- p. 170 …I forget since I was there in the Washington
area for awhile but I never did…
- p. 172 …To the best of my recollection, I never met the rancher, Brazel.
RW: O.K., because…
- p. 173 …rve never seen a Geiger counter myseU: but I didn't know if you knew what…
- p. 174 …ordered Marcel to accompany the rancher back
to Corona, •· You said you never saw... and then…
- p. 175 …I never had any idea that it was anything with the V-2. They told us…
- p. 177 …You and I never saw this. You don't see
any military people or military vehicles…
- p. 178 …said in a facetious way: "Lets make out like it never existed, because we're wasting…
- p. 179 …to him the crash and recovery had never happened.
There was no investigation on the Foster…
- p. 182 …No, I never saw this.
SC: I don't know what that is from.
RW: "But…
- p. 183 …So, some of there
records were TS and still are.) That is because they have never…
- p. 185 …Cav never
told me anything. He said nl never tell you anything then you won't…
- p. 189 …I am quite sure that we never gave it a thought until that book.
- p. 190 …Now, we have never found the ftight records to
substantiate that, so I don't know…
- p. 202 …related
to this inquicy and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning not…
- p. 207 …related to this inquiry
and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning refraining…
- p. 213 …We never considered a ..planneq cover story; we were concerned with security.
I was the project…
- p. 214 …I never obsCJVed any of the balloon "trains" but I
did see some of the early…
- p. 225 …and subsequent models were
brand new, had never flown anything like that in this area.
A…
- p. 228 …I'd never heard the
name Mogul -- the classification was that high. I knew what we…
- p. 240 …I just wanted to see
if there had been anything stated to you never to discuss…
- p. 242 …but I never knew Marcel.
in my mind, and there are
Yeah, I knew that guy…
- p. 243 …I've never seen a Japanese balloon that I know
of, I've never seen the…
- p. 246 …No, I've never seen this.
Trakowski argued that even the name Mogul was classified,
and…
- p. 249 …Out PM with
several NYU men by weapons carrier, but we never located it.
Rocket postponed…
- p. 264 …As far as I know we just
never interfaced with the military.
Q: Where were you…
- p. 266 …We never saw
anybody in security. There was certainly nobody keeping us
secure. If anything, we…
- p. 273 …who was writing a story,
and I never quite could determine whether he was on the…
- p. 274 …I have never seen such a document nor have I ever heard of
any effort to…
- p. 277 …radar
reflectors for tracking purposes-but it never comes out talking about MOGUL and the instrumentation…
- p. 278 …I never met Richard Robert Crane. I knew him only by the path of debris he…
- p. 282 …They never said it, but I know they did because they left me free to
do…
- p. 318 …Before now, however, a larger portion of the story was never
told. Recent research indicates that…
- p. 320 …and Project MOGUL as first conceived was never put into operational 1use.
However, MOGUL did serve…
- p. 321 …Moore, NYU Constant-Level
Balloon Project Engineer, stated that they were never informed of the classified…
- p. 567 …and this flight 11as never recovered. Pre-
sumably the marked easterly flow then observed above 60…
- p. 591 …ficienoy since on-ot.f' operation was never per-
mitted.
The temperature data of' these flights…
- p. 740 …The theodolite lost the balloon in clouds earlier and
the airplane observer never succeeded in seeing…
- p. 815 …Out pm with several NYU by weapon carrier but we never located it. Rocket
postponed until…
PROFESSOR MOORE - 6/8/94
Q: The New York University reports are very voluminous.
There are three big bound volumes. I have the originals with
your signature.
45
A: You're making my point, that there probably wasn't any
other nearby radiosonde station for us to receive things. I'd
forgotten all about Big Springs, but I'm sure we made every
effort we could to get radiosonde reception.
Q: Can you think of, just in general, any other
explanation for what became the so-called Roswell incident, other
than what we've discussed here as far as potentially your balloon
project, which at that time was a very secretive project. Is
there any other explanation you can think of?
A: No, and the particulars of this case are sufficiently
nearly unique, that I think no one else had anything that could
have fit into providing these results. No, we were doing
something that was unorthodox, using targets that, as far as I
know, had not been flown before in New Mexico. There's no way
that the rancher could have ever seen one. And there's no way
that either Major Marcel nor General Ramey or General Ramey's
people could have come up with providing a radar to substitute
for the real debris. I think there's a very high likelihood that
the unusual things we were doing provided this debris.
However, all the other stuff that's in, and a lot of the
material, I can't explain bodies or material that can't be
[folded) by a sledge hammer.
Q: Let's dwell on the bodies just for a second here. It
turns out that during this time frame, 1947, 1948, 1949, there
were numerous aircraft accidents, a lot of fatal aircraft
accidents, in this general vicinity. Did you all ever come
across any of those?
A: No, sir.
(END OF SIDE)
Q: There was an accident that took place right out of
Roswell, a B-29, two B-29 accidents that resulted in fatal
crashes. We were wondering if maybe over time people were
beginning to think in terms of those fatal accidents, which
essentially scattered body parts, small parts, over areas, where
people were getting confused with what occurred in those aircraft
accidents with the sensationalism of this UFO story.
A: As I said in my letter, all of us went back to NYU on
the 8th of July and we heard about that afternoon, and we just
thought it was one of our balloons. All of us that were in that
group have held onto that view for a long time. I do have crew's
letter here. He apparently joined us for that Operation
Sandstone pickup crew in '48, but he knew that we knew that we