“Nevers”49 pages
- p. 17 …of alien beings and elusive vehicles which never quite
seem to manifest themselves. Regardless of one…
- p. 31 …Conversely, there
has never been any previous documentary evidence produced by those who
would debunk the…
- p. 32 …This had never been
officially done before, although most of the persons contacted reported that they…
- p. 40 …Lt Col Cavitt also
stated that he had never taken any oath or signed any agreement…
- p. 77 …Because this conclusion is based on
the absence of documentation, the issue can never be definitively…
- p. 99 …H written, there is
good evidence through accessioning and microfilming records that the Agency never
received…
- p. 101 …histories and
supporting documents, and it has never routinely received the kind of records which
might…
- p. 159 …I have never been sworn to any form of secrecy by anyone concerning this matter and…
- p. 165 …It never crossed my mind that it could be anything but a radio sonde.
RW: How…
- p. 168 …as far as I knew, I never heard anyone say, "Don't talk about this
and…
- p. 169 …I never met LaPaz personally, but I knew what he was.
RW: Did Rickett go with…
- p. 170 …I forget since I was there in the Washington
area for awhile but I never did…
- p. 172 …To the best of my recollection, I never met the rancher, Brazel.
RW: O.K., because…
- p. 173 …rve never seen a Geiger counter myseU: but I didn't know if you knew what…
- p. 174 …ordered Marcel to accompany the rancher back
to Corona, •· You said you never saw... and then…
- p. 175 …I never had any idea that it was anything with the V-2. They told us…
- p. 177 …You and I never saw this. You don't see
any military people or military vehicles…
- p. 178 …said in a facetious way: "Lets make out like it never existed, because we're wasting…
- p. 179 …to him the crash and recovery had never happened.
There was no investigation on the Foster…
- p. 182 …No, I never saw this.
SC: I don't know what that is from.
RW: "But…
- p. 183 …So, some of there
records were TS and still are.) That is because they have never…
- p. 185 …Cav never
told me anything. He said nl never tell you anything then you won't…
- p. 189 …I am quite sure that we never gave it a thought until that book.
- p. 190 …Now, we have never found the ftight records to
substantiate that, so I don't know…
- p. 202 …related
to this inquicy and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning not…
- p. 207 …related to this inquiry
and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning refraining…
- p. 213 …We never considered a ..planneq cover story; we were concerned with security.
I was the project…
- p. 214 …I never obsCJVed any of the balloon "trains" but I
did see some of the early…
- p. 225 …and subsequent models were
brand new, had never flown anything like that in this area.
A…
- p. 228 …I'd never heard the
name Mogul -- the classification was that high. I knew what we…
- p. 240 …I just wanted to see
if there had been anything stated to you never to discuss…
- p. 242 …but I never knew Marcel.
in my mind, and there are
Yeah, I knew that guy…
- p. 243 …I've never seen a Japanese balloon that I know
of, I've never seen the…
- p. 246 …No, I've never seen this.
Trakowski argued that even the name Mogul was classified,
and…
- p. 249 …Out PM with
several NYU men by weapons carrier, but we never located it.
Rocket postponed…
- p. 264 …As far as I know we just
never interfaced with the military.
Q: Where were you…
- p. 266 …We never saw
anybody in security. There was certainly nobody keeping us
secure. If anything, we…
- p. 273 …who was writing a story,
and I never quite could determine whether he was on the…
- p. 274 …I have never seen such a document nor have I ever heard of
any effort to…
- p. 277 …radar
reflectors for tracking purposes-but it never comes out talking about MOGUL and the instrumentation…
- p. 278 …I never met Richard Robert Crane. I knew him only by the path of debris he…
- p. 282 …They never said it, but I know they did because they left me free to
do…
- p. 318 …Before now, however, a larger portion of the story was never
told. Recent research indicates that…
- p. 320 …and Project MOGUL as first conceived was never put into operational 1use.
However, MOGUL did serve…
- p. 321 …Moore, NYU Constant-Level
Balloon Project Engineer, stated that they were never informed of the classified…
- p. 567 …and this flight 11as never recovered. Pre-
sumably the marked easterly flow then observed above 60…
- p. 591 …ficienoy since on-ot.f' operation was never per-
mitted.
The temperature data of' these flights…
- p. 740 …The theodolite lost the balloon in clouds earlier and
the airplane observer never succeeded in seeing…
- p. 815 …Out pm with several NYU by weapon carrier but we never located it. Rocket
postponed until…
PROFESSOR MOORE - 6/8/94
Q: The early nylon line, would it have degraded, such as
the balloon material degraded, and maybe fused in the hot sun?
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A: I doubt it. If we had any it would have been white,
which would have been a high (inaudible), would not have absorbed
a lot of sunlight.
Q: There were discussions about what appeared to be
unbraided or unstranded fiber type lines. It's been alluded to
that was the precursors to what we use for fiber optics today.
The materials that were found. That's why I asked about the
monofilament line.
A: A lot of what we used early was a linen cord, not
twisted, and it was indeed, a brown, a dull brown color. But
because it was designed just for radiosonde balloons, and we
rapidly exceeded its strength. So very quickly, and I don't know
when, but we very quickly went over to this twisted lobster
twine.
To answer your question, there are three flights that are
missing here -- two, three, and four. I've identified Flight 4.
Flight 4 was a flight we made, and you don't have it there, but
Flight 4 we made in Alamagordo something like June 2nd or Jrd of
1947. The reason I have it identified is I have Albert Crary's
diary. The scientific end of the group was heavily based from
Columbia University. It was Dr. James Peoples who was an
employee of Watson Laboratory, and there was an Albert Crary who
had been a graduate student under Dr. Ewing.
Q: Who later also was an employee of •••
A: Who was then an employee of Watson Laboratory. I have
Crary's diary. Here is a translation •••
(END OF SIDE)
A: ... Here is the diary starting May 24, '47, and on May
28 he has "B-17 from Watson with Mirs, Hackman, NYU and Alden,
they plan to test fly balloons tomorrow. Other gang with
recording equipment due to leave Watson Laboratories Saturday.
Got everything ready for Hermes Rocket today."
May 29th. "Mirs and Hackman got balloon ascension off at
1:00 p.m. today without plane to follow it. Don and Godby out to
Donyo. Bill and I out to E. White Sands to record Hermes."
I've marked the key things here with red, and then I've
given you a page without my red if you have any need for that.
June 1st, "C-47 with Moore, Schneider and others from NYU,
also Irewin, Minton, Olson, NYU men worked on balloons, north
hangar."