“Nevers”49 pages
- p. 17 …of alien beings and elusive vehicles which never quite
seem to manifest themselves. Regardless of one…
- p. 31 …Conversely, there
has never been any previous documentary evidence produced by those who
would debunk the…
- p. 32 …This had never been
officially done before, although most of the persons contacted reported that they…
- p. 40 …Lt Col Cavitt also
stated that he had never taken any oath or signed any agreement…
- p. 77 …Because this conclusion is based on
the absence of documentation, the issue can never be definitively…
- p. 99 …H written, there is
good evidence through accessioning and microfilming records that the Agency never
received…
- p. 101 …histories and
supporting documents, and it has never routinely received the kind of records which
might…
- p. 159 …I have never been sworn to any form of secrecy by anyone concerning this matter and…
- p. 165 …It never crossed my mind that it could be anything but a radio sonde.
RW: How…
- p. 168 …as far as I knew, I never heard anyone say, "Don't talk about this
and…
- p. 169 …I never met LaPaz personally, but I knew what he was.
RW: Did Rickett go with…
- p. 170 …I forget since I was there in the Washington
area for awhile but I never did…
- p. 172 …To the best of my recollection, I never met the rancher, Brazel.
RW: O.K., because…
- p. 173 …rve never seen a Geiger counter myseU: but I didn't know if you knew what…
- p. 174 …ordered Marcel to accompany the rancher back
to Corona, •· You said you never saw... and then…
- p. 175 …I never had any idea that it was anything with the V-2. They told us…
- p. 177 …You and I never saw this. You don't see
any military people or military vehicles…
- p. 178 …said in a facetious way: "Lets make out like it never existed, because we're wasting…
- p. 179 …to him the crash and recovery had never happened.
There was no investigation on the Foster…
- p. 182 …No, I never saw this.
SC: I don't know what that is from.
RW: "But…
- p. 183 …So, some of there
records were TS and still are.) That is because they have never…
- p. 185 …Cav never
told me anything. He said nl never tell you anything then you won't…
- p. 189 …I am quite sure that we never gave it a thought until that book.
- p. 190 …Now, we have never found the ftight records to
substantiate that, so I don't know…
- p. 202 …related
to this inquicy and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning not…
- p. 207 …related to this inquiry
and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning refraining…
- p. 213 …We never considered a ..planneq cover story; we were concerned with security.
I was the project…
- p. 214 …I never obsCJVed any of the balloon "trains" but I
did see some of the early…
- p. 225 …and subsequent models were
brand new, had never flown anything like that in this area.
A…
- p. 228 …I'd never heard the
name Mogul -- the classification was that high. I knew what we…
- p. 240 …I just wanted to see
if there had been anything stated to you never to discuss…
- p. 242 …but I never knew Marcel.
in my mind, and there are
Yeah, I knew that guy…
- p. 243 …I've never seen a Japanese balloon that I know
of, I've never seen the…
- p. 246 …No, I've never seen this.
Trakowski argued that even the name Mogul was classified,
and…
- p. 249 …Out PM with
several NYU men by weapons carrier, but we never located it.
Rocket postponed…
- p. 264 …As far as I know we just
never interfaced with the military.
Q: Where were you…
- p. 266 …We never saw
anybody in security. There was certainly nobody keeping us
secure. If anything, we…
- p. 273 …who was writing a story,
and I never quite could determine whether he was on the…
- p. 274 …I have never seen such a document nor have I ever heard of
any effort to…
- p. 277 …radar
reflectors for tracking purposes-but it never comes out talking about MOGUL and the instrumentation…
- p. 278 …I never met Richard Robert Crane. I knew him only by the path of debris he…
- p. 282 …They never said it, but I know they did because they left me free to
do…
- p. 318 …Before now, however, a larger portion of the story was never
told. Recent research indicates that…
- p. 320 …and Project MOGUL as first conceived was never put into operational 1use.
However, MOGUL did serve…
- p. 321 …Moore, NYU Constant-Level
Balloon Project Engineer, stated that they were never informed of the classified…
- p. 567 …and this flight 11as never recovered. Pre-
sumably the marked easterly flow then observed above 60…
- p. 591 …ficienoy since on-ot.f' operation was never per-
mitted.
The temperature data of' these flights…
- p. 740 …The theodolite lost the balloon in clouds earlier and
the airplane observer never succeeded in seeing…
- p. 815 …Out pm with several NYU by weapon carrier but we never located it. Rocket
postponed until…
SC. Yeah. that is possible. I didn't know about that particular thing. I just knew weather
balloons went up and measured. This was my first impression. I didn't know anything else, so
0. K.. that's it, forget it. The thing that disturbed me is why they cannot shoot down this story
about the little bodies and so forth that Were allegedly taken to Wright-Pat or some place.
RW: Wright-Pat, right.
SC: And put in a sealed (unintelligible) or so forth. And the only thing, Rick might have gotten
confused about something. You mentioned crashes. We had one there at Roswell. They
practiced this air to air refueling, which was just. I think, getting into real high-tech stuff as far as
I knew.
RW: B-29's?
SC: Yeah. And they were refueling them. We had one rather, rather hell! Where the plane that
was being refueled for some reason or other pitched up when they were either getting to attach
the cord, or the other one came down, which doesn't sound logical, I think it's more apt to have
went up. One or both of those planes crashed. I forget what direction it was up from Roswell,
but I went out to that crash at the request of Marcel; maybe Blanchard, and I probably took
Rickett with me. We had bodies all over the place, and it was a sad thing. We recovered some
fingers, of course, there was one hell of a big fire after it happened. I collected a bunch of hands,
fingers and so forth, trying to identifY them. At the time I thought this was sort of stupid. They
had a list back at the Operation Office. Other than identifying body parts so that some guy's wife
would know that she had part of her, used to~ former husband. And I don't remember where
we sent those things for identification. I remember going into the office after that trying to get
prints otfofthese old shriveled up fingers and so forth. What good it would do, I don't know. I
didn't know then, but I was wonder if maybe Rick got confused that maybe this was some of the
bodies. I doubt it, but it is just a possibility. But I don't know why they can't trace down those
bodies.
RW: Well, that is the ultimate part of the quote "cover up" that we're involved in. You and I
would probably think as OSI agents if you recovered a body that is unusual, that would generate a
whole bunch of paperwork. We are a paperwork society. I mean, it may be classified with a
bazillion stamps on it, but it would generate a lot of study and things. And we have not been able
to locate one piece of anything to indicate that is so.
SC: It boggles my mind that we would not be able to find anything. The Air Force having the .. .I
mean we were close knit and it seemed that there had to be a trail and pick up and eventually end
there in that grip, or whatever they put these bodies in.
RW: But did you ever hear of any talk of that type of stuff when you were at Roswell?
SC: Down there. No.