“Nevers”49 pages
- p. 17 …of alien beings and elusive vehicles which never quite
seem to manifest themselves. Regardless of one…
- p. 31 …Conversely, there
has never been any previous documentary evidence produced by those who
would debunk the…
- p. 32 …This had never been
officially done before, although most of the persons contacted reported that they…
- p. 40 …Lt Col Cavitt also
stated that he had never taken any oath or signed any agreement…
- p. 77 …Because this conclusion is based on
the absence of documentation, the issue can never be definitively…
- p. 99 …H written, there is
good evidence through accessioning and microfilming records that the Agency never
received…
- p. 101 …histories and
supporting documents, and it has never routinely received the kind of records which
might…
- p. 159 …I have never been sworn to any form of secrecy by anyone concerning this matter and…
- p. 165 …It never crossed my mind that it could be anything but a radio sonde.
RW: How…
- p. 168 …as far as I knew, I never heard anyone say, "Don't talk about this
and…
- p. 169 …I never met LaPaz personally, but I knew what he was.
RW: Did Rickett go with…
- p. 170 …I forget since I was there in the Washington
area for awhile but I never did…
- p. 172 …To the best of my recollection, I never met the rancher, Brazel.
RW: O.K., because…
- p. 173 …rve never seen a Geiger counter myseU: but I didn't know if you knew what…
- p. 174 …ordered Marcel to accompany the rancher back
to Corona, •· You said you never saw... and then…
- p. 175 …I never had any idea that it was anything with the V-2. They told us…
- p. 177 …You and I never saw this. You don't see
any military people or military vehicles…
- p. 178 …said in a facetious way: "Lets make out like it never existed, because we're wasting…
- p. 179 …to him the crash and recovery had never happened.
There was no investigation on the Foster…
- p. 182 …No, I never saw this.
SC: I don't know what that is from.
RW: "But…
- p. 183 …So, some of there
records were TS and still are.) That is because they have never…
- p. 185 …Cav never
told me anything. He said nl never tell you anything then you won't…
- p. 189 …I am quite sure that we never gave it a thought until that book.
- p. 190 …Now, we have never found the ftight records to
substantiate that, so I don't know…
- p. 202 …related
to this inquicy and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning not…
- p. 207 …related to this inquiry
and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning refraining…
- p. 213 …We never considered a ..planneq cover story; we were concerned with security.
I was the project…
- p. 214 …I never obsCJVed any of the balloon "trains" but I
did see some of the early…
- p. 225 …and subsequent models were
brand new, had never flown anything like that in this area.
A…
- p. 228 …I'd never heard the
name Mogul -- the classification was that high. I knew what we…
- p. 240 …I just wanted to see
if there had been anything stated to you never to discuss…
- p. 242 …but I never knew Marcel.
in my mind, and there are
Yeah, I knew that guy…
- p. 243 …I've never seen a Japanese balloon that I know
of, I've never seen the…
- p. 246 …No, I've never seen this.
Trakowski argued that even the name Mogul was classified,
and…
- p. 249 …Out PM with
several NYU men by weapons carrier, but we never located it.
Rocket postponed…
- p. 264 …As far as I know we just
never interfaced with the military.
Q: Where were you…
- p. 266 …We never saw
anybody in security. There was certainly nobody keeping us
secure. If anything, we…
- p. 273 …who was writing a story,
and I never quite could determine whether he was on the…
- p. 274 …I have never seen such a document nor have I ever heard of
any effort to…
- p. 277 …radar
reflectors for tracking purposes-but it never comes out talking about MOGUL and the instrumentation…
- p. 278 …I never met Richard Robert Crane. I knew him only by the path of debris he…
- p. 282 …They never said it, but I know they did because they left me free to
do…
- p. 318 …Before now, however, a larger portion of the story was never
told. Recent research indicates that…
- p. 320 …and Project MOGUL as first conceived was never put into operational 1use.
However, MOGUL did serve…
- p. 321 …Moore, NYU Constant-Level
Balloon Project Engineer, stated that they were never informed of the classified…
- p. 567 …and this flight 11as never recovered. Pre-
sumably the marked easterly flow then observed above 60…
- p. 591 …ficienoy since on-ot.f' operation was never per-
mitted.
The temperature data of' these flights…
- p. 740 …The theodolite lost the balloon in clouds earlier and
the airplane observer never succeeded in seeing…
- p. 815 …Out pm with several NYU by weapon carrier but we never located it. Rocket
postponed until…
normal course of his duty was sent to Washington not 8th Air Force in Fort Worth. He was
attached to the S09th, but his chain of command was different than the 8th Air Force, that's ... "
SC: That's one of the few true stories they had in this book.
RW: "In fact he talked about many things willingly. He said the ranks ofCIC agents were all
classified at the time" (I know that's the way it was in OSI for years) "It didn't look right to have a
Master Sergeant investigating a Colonel so no one on the base, except for a few clear to know,
had any idea of what he or any ofthe others were. (Of course, that's the way we did business.)
SC: True.
RW: "He provided names of others who might be able to help and he described his normal
unclassified duties at Roswell, but according to him the crash and recovery had never happened.
There was no investigation on the Foster ranch, no mystery fti~ and no discovery of alien
bodies, nothing." Now we are getting to the part were they make you sound like somewhat of a
conspirator. It said, "Randall said he and Schmitt had literally two dozen witness' to the special
flights out of Roswell and the special clean up operation on the ranch. Something must have
happened, the CIC man finally conceded, but I don't know what it was. As they left, the CIC man
asked them, if you boys found something that affected national security would you keep it to your
self? The former CIC man grins, and said 'very good'." So, somehow, by that remark, I imply
that this was kind of, "I know something that you guys don't and if affects national security so
we're not going to tell you." That's the way that I interpret what they wrote. Becau~ the rest of
ifjust kind of recounts the way we did business, even when I came into OSI twenty years after
that.
SC: You think they're talking about me there, "the former CIC man?"
RW: Yeah.
SC: If I said that, I probably said it really meaning that if' these guys trying to make a buck
writing their sensational book run into to somethiDg that reaDy affected national security, I meant
don't put it in a book.
RW: Yeah. OK.
SC: Tum it over to somebody.
RW: But you weren't implying that this incident affected national security and you weren't going
talk about it?
SC: Oh, no! No way.
RW: OK. I see you have some materials you brought out here. That looks like one of you basic
agent classes. Is that one of your basic agent classes there?