“Nevers”49 pages
- p. 17 …of alien beings and elusive vehicles which never quite
seem to manifest themselves. Regardless of one…
- p. 31 …Conversely, there
has never been any previous documentary evidence produced by those who
would debunk the…
- p. 32 …This had never been
officially done before, although most of the persons contacted reported that they…
- p. 40 …Lt Col Cavitt also
stated that he had never taken any oath or signed any agreement…
- p. 77 …Because this conclusion is based on
the absence of documentation, the issue can never be definitively…
- p. 99 …H written, there is
good evidence through accessioning and microfilming records that the Agency never
received…
- p. 101 …histories and
supporting documents, and it has never routinely received the kind of records which
might…
- p. 159 …I have never been sworn to any form of secrecy by anyone concerning this matter and…
- p. 165 …It never crossed my mind that it could be anything but a radio sonde.
RW: How…
- p. 168 …as far as I knew, I never heard anyone say, "Don't talk about this
and…
- p. 169 …I never met LaPaz personally, but I knew what he was.
RW: Did Rickett go with…
- p. 170 …I forget since I was there in the Washington
area for awhile but I never did…
- p. 172 …To the best of my recollection, I never met the rancher, Brazel.
RW: O.K., because…
- p. 173 …rve never seen a Geiger counter myseU: but I didn't know if you knew what…
- p. 174 …ordered Marcel to accompany the rancher back
to Corona, •· You said you never saw... and then…
- p. 175 …I never had any idea that it was anything with the V-2. They told us…
- p. 177 …You and I never saw this. You don't see
any military people or military vehicles…
- p. 178 …said in a facetious way: "Lets make out like it never existed, because we're wasting…
- p. 179 …to him the crash and recovery had never happened.
There was no investigation on the Foster…
- p. 182 …No, I never saw this.
SC: I don't know what that is from.
RW: "But…
- p. 183 …So, some of there
records were TS and still are.) That is because they have never…
- p. 185 …Cav never
told me anything. He said nl never tell you anything then you won't…
- p. 189 …I am quite sure that we never gave it a thought until that book.
- p. 190 …Now, we have never found the ftight records to
substantiate that, so I don't know…
- p. 202 …related
to this inquicy and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning not…
- p. 207 …related to this inquiry
and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning refraining…
- p. 213 …We never considered a ..planneq cover story; we were concerned with security.
I was the project…
- p. 214 …I never obsCJVed any of the balloon "trains" but I
did see some of the early…
- p. 225 …and subsequent models were
brand new, had never flown anything like that in this area.
A…
- p. 228 …I'd never heard the
name Mogul -- the classification was that high. I knew what we…
- p. 240 …I just wanted to see
if there had been anything stated to you never to discuss…
- p. 242 …but I never knew Marcel.
in my mind, and there are
Yeah, I knew that guy…
- p. 243 …I've never seen a Japanese balloon that I know
of, I've never seen the…
- p. 246 …No, I've never seen this.
Trakowski argued that even the name Mogul was classified,
and…
- p. 249 …Out PM with
several NYU men by weapons carrier, but we never located it.
Rocket postponed…
- p. 264 …As far as I know we just
never interfaced with the military.
Q: Where were you…
- p. 266 …We never saw
anybody in security. There was certainly nobody keeping us
secure. If anything, we…
- p. 273 …who was writing a story,
and I never quite could determine whether he was on the…
- p. 274 …I have never seen such a document nor have I ever heard of
any effort to…
- p. 277 …radar
reflectors for tracking purposes-but it never comes out talking about MOGUL and the instrumentation…
- p. 278 …I never met Richard Robert Crane. I knew him only by the path of debris he…
- p. 282 …They never said it, but I know they did because they left me free to
do…
- p. 318 …Before now, however, a larger portion of the story was never
told. Recent research indicates that…
- p. 320 …and Project MOGUL as first conceived was never put into operational 1use.
However, MOGUL did serve…
- p. 321 …Moore, NYU Constant-Level
Balloon Project Engineer, stated that they were never informed of the classified…
- p. 567 …and this flight 11as never recovered. Pre-
sumably the marked easterly flow then observed above 60…
- p. 591 …ficienoy since on-ot.f' operation was never per-
mitted.
The temperature data of' these flights…
- p. 740 …The theodolite lost the balloon in clouds earlier and
the airplane observer never succeeded in seeing…
- p. 815 …Out pm with several NYU by weapon carrier but we never located it. Rocket
postponed until…
apparently, where you were at and picked up this material, and then there is another one 120 miles
or so away.
SC: A richochet.
R W: Yeah. Which at one time was on the Plains of San Augustin and now it has apparently in
this new book been changed to a location closer to Roswell. And. that's where these bodies were
supposedly recovered. I think their new research has to do with that aspect of it.
MC: Well we haven't seen it, but I know it came out in April.
RW: O.K. Lets see; also on the same page it said: "The CIC responded to the phone call. Jesse
Marcel was one. "The intelligence and the CIC responded to the phone call. Jesse Marcel was
one of them. Colonel Wdliam Blanchard and the other officer suggested that Marcel and CIC
agent accompanied Brazel to the ranch to see what was there." Braze~ of course, was the farmer
who apparently came in and made the original report.
SC: Yeah. To the best of my recollection, I never met the rancher, Brazel.
RW: O.K., because as I go through here you11 see that you're accused, I say "accused"; claimed,
to have been with him on a number of occasions and basically, it was alleged that the Army Air
Corps had imprisoned him, if you wit~ for about a week and kept him away from everybody. Not
that you personally did, but the Army Air Corps in general: "The trip to the ranch took the rest of
the afternoon ... they were forced to stay in a small cabin with no electricity no running water ... the
next morning they headed out into a field were Brazel had found the debris." So, this would have
been you and whoever else accompanied you.
SC: Totally, made up, or fabricated, or whatever. I didn't have any experiences like that of
spending the night out on the ranch.
MC: Eating a can of beans...
RW: Eating beans... yeah, that is, in fact, mentioned in one of the...
SC: Yeah.
RW: O.K. Now this: "Marcel would later say that the material was like nothing he had ever seen
and the metal was as thin as newsprint and as light as a feather. It was flexible but very strong.
He tried to dent it with a sledge hammer but Marcel and the CIC agent tried to bum it but it
would not bum. It was lighter, stronger and more fire resistant than any of them bad ever seen.
Marcel, along with the counterintelligence agent picked up as much as they could and begun
loading it up in Marcel's convertible and the counterintelligence agent's Jeep CarryaD vehicle with
a rear box." So, apparently, according to Marcel's version of the story (and I don't know when
this was given, sometime after 1978) you hammered on it and tried to rip it and did other stuff
with it and it was tike nothing you bad ever seen.