“Nevers”49 pages
- p. 17 …of alien beings and elusive vehicles which never quite
seem to manifest themselves. Regardless of one…
- p. 31 …Conversely, there
has never been any previous documentary evidence produced by those who
would debunk the…
- p. 32 …This had never been
officially done before, although most of the persons contacted reported that they…
- p. 40 …Lt Col Cavitt also
stated that he had never taken any oath or signed any agreement…
- p. 77 …Because this conclusion is based on
the absence of documentation, the issue can never be definitively…
- p. 99 …H written, there is
good evidence through accessioning and microfilming records that the Agency never
received…
- p. 101 …histories and
supporting documents, and it has never routinely received the kind of records which
might…
- p. 159 …I have never been sworn to any form of secrecy by anyone concerning this matter and…
- p. 165 …It never crossed my mind that it could be anything but a radio sonde.
RW: How…
- p. 168 …as far as I knew, I never heard anyone say, "Don't talk about this
and…
- p. 169 …I never met LaPaz personally, but I knew what he was.
RW: Did Rickett go with…
- p. 170 …I forget since I was there in the Washington
area for awhile but I never did…
- p. 172 …To the best of my recollection, I never met the rancher, Brazel.
RW: O.K., because…
- p. 173 …rve never seen a Geiger counter myseU: but I didn't know if you knew what…
- p. 174 …ordered Marcel to accompany the rancher back
to Corona, •· You said you never saw... and then…
- p. 175 …I never had any idea that it was anything with the V-2. They told us…
- p. 177 …You and I never saw this. You don't see
any military people or military vehicles…
- p. 178 …said in a facetious way: "Lets make out like it never existed, because we're wasting…
- p. 179 …to him the crash and recovery had never happened.
There was no investigation on the Foster…
- p. 182 …No, I never saw this.
SC: I don't know what that is from.
RW: "But…
- p. 183 …So, some of there
records were TS and still are.) That is because they have never…
- p. 185 …Cav never
told me anything. He said nl never tell you anything then you won't…
- p. 189 …I am quite sure that we never gave it a thought until that book.
- p. 190 …Now, we have never found the ftight records to
substantiate that, so I don't know…
- p. 202 …related
to this inquicy and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning not…
- p. 207 …related to this inquiry
and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning refraining…
- p. 213 …We never considered a ..planneq cover story; we were concerned with security.
I was the project…
- p. 214 …I never obsCJVed any of the balloon "trains" but I
did see some of the early…
- p. 225 …and subsequent models were
brand new, had never flown anything like that in this area.
A…
- p. 228 …I'd never heard the
name Mogul -- the classification was that high. I knew what we…
- p. 240 …I just wanted to see
if there had been anything stated to you never to discuss…
- p. 242 …but I never knew Marcel.
in my mind, and there are
Yeah, I knew that guy…
- p. 243 …I've never seen a Japanese balloon that I know
of, I've never seen the…
- p. 246 …No, I've never seen this.
Trakowski argued that even the name Mogul was classified,
and…
- p. 249 …Out PM with
several NYU men by weapons carrier, but we never located it.
Rocket postponed…
- p. 264 …As far as I know we just
never interfaced with the military.
Q: Where were you…
- p. 266 …We never saw
anybody in security. There was certainly nobody keeping us
secure. If anything, we…
- p. 273 …who was writing a story,
and I never quite could determine whether he was on the…
- p. 274 …I have never seen such a document nor have I ever heard of
any effort to…
- p. 277 …radar
reflectors for tracking purposes-but it never comes out talking about MOGUL and the instrumentation…
- p. 278 …I never met Richard Robert Crane. I knew him only by the path of debris he…
- p. 282 …They never said it, but I know they did because they left me free to
do…
- p. 318 …Before now, however, a larger portion of the story was never
told. Recent research indicates that…
- p. 320 …and Project MOGUL as first conceived was never put into operational 1use.
However, MOGUL did serve…
- p. 321 …Moore, NYU Constant-Level
Balloon Project Engineer, stated that they were never informed of the classified…
- p. 567 …and this flight 11as never recovered. Pre-
sumably the marked easterly flow then observed above 60…
- p. 591 …ficienoy since on-ot.f' operation was never per-
mitted.
The temperature data of' these flights…
- p. 740 …The theodolite lost the balloon in clouds earlier and
the airplane observer never succeeded in seeing…
- p. 815 …Out pm with several NYU by weapon carrier but we never located it. Rocket
postponed until…
SC: I don't know. It's in the Washington DC area. I forget since I was there in the Washington
area for awhile but I never did get acquainted with the insane asylum.
RW: It's always best to keep it that way.
SC: No, well I put it again, he might have gone off with LaPaz for a few days, but I can't imagine
what excuse I would have been given as to why he'd be out goofing around with an astronomer.
LaPaz was a well thought of individual in New Mexico and, I imagine, all over the United States.
He had quite a reputation.
RW: He did quite a bit of work for the Air Force, as I found through research.
SC: Contract work or something... Yeah.
RW: But there was nothing that you knew of that he did as a direct result of this incident on the
stuff that you recovered out there?
SC: No. Of course, I could have been held in the dark about it~ but as far as I know, no.
RW: O.K. I went through and pulled out wherever, in this book UFO Crash at Roswell by
Randle and Schmitt, this is a 1991 .. .I pulled out wherever you were identified. They never
identified you by name except in the credits when they interviewed yo~ but they always referred
to you as the "Senior CIC man" and "Senior CIC agent". They identified Rickett and Marcel, of
course, by name. There are many things that are in the book that people said that you said or
implied that you said, without directly saying that "Colonel Cavitt told me such and such."
SC: Yeah.
RW: I pulled a couple of these out and just ask you if you can comment on it to see how they
ring with your memory of the incident. "The second fellow we interviewed" (this right fi"om the
fi'ont on page six) "was an agent in the counterintelligence corps. He accompanied another
intelligence officer on the initial trip to the crash site and we believe wrote a report of the incident
for his superiors in Washington" ... implying that was you, since you were the senior guy.
SC: rmjust reading this end quote "book." No, No. I assume .. .! assume when I read this thing
for the first time that they sent me a big deal, you know...
RW: An autographed copy?
SC: An autographed copy and all that. No, I didn't say all like that.
RW: On the next page, on seven, again referring to you: "At first this intelligence agent refused
to admit that the event had occurred at all. There bad been no newspaper story, no fuss, not even
the recovery of a weather balloon. After much prodding, that he was going to admit that
something came down and was recovered, and but that was as far as he would go. He admits no