“Nevers”49 pages
- p. 17 …of alien beings and elusive vehicles which never quite
seem to manifest themselves. Regardless of one…
- p. 31 …Conversely, there
has never been any previous documentary evidence produced by those who
would debunk the…
- p. 32 …This had never been
officially done before, although most of the persons contacted reported that they…
- p. 40 …Lt Col Cavitt also
stated that he had never taken any oath or signed any agreement…
- p. 77 …Because this conclusion is based on
the absence of documentation, the issue can never be definitively…
- p. 99 …H written, there is
good evidence through accessioning and microfilming records that the Agency never
received…
- p. 101 …histories and
supporting documents, and it has never routinely received the kind of records which
might…
- p. 159 …I have never been sworn to any form of secrecy by anyone concerning this matter and…
- p. 165 …It never crossed my mind that it could be anything but a radio sonde.
RW: How…
- p. 168 …as far as I knew, I never heard anyone say, "Don't talk about this
and…
- p. 169 …I never met LaPaz personally, but I knew what he was.
RW: Did Rickett go with…
- p. 170 …I forget since I was there in the Washington
area for awhile but I never did…
- p. 172 …To the best of my recollection, I never met the rancher, Brazel.
RW: O.K., because…
- p. 173 …rve never seen a Geiger counter myseU: but I didn't know if you knew what…
- p. 174 …ordered Marcel to accompany the rancher back
to Corona, •· You said you never saw... and then…
- p. 175 …I never had any idea that it was anything with the V-2. They told us…
- p. 177 …You and I never saw this. You don't see
any military people or military vehicles…
- p. 178 …said in a facetious way: "Lets make out like it never existed, because we're wasting…
- p. 179 …to him the crash and recovery had never happened.
There was no investigation on the Foster…
- p. 182 …No, I never saw this.
SC: I don't know what that is from.
RW: "But…
- p. 183 …So, some of there
records were TS and still are.) That is because they have never…
- p. 185 …Cav never
told me anything. He said nl never tell you anything then you won't…
- p. 189 …I am quite sure that we never gave it a thought until that book.
- p. 190 …Now, we have never found the ftight records to
substantiate that, so I don't know…
- p. 202 …related
to this inquicy and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning not…
- p. 207 …related to this inquiry
and I have never been threatened by US Government persons concerning refraining…
- p. 213 …We never considered a ..planneq cover story; we were concerned with security.
I was the project…
- p. 214 …I never obsCJVed any of the balloon "trains" but I
did see some of the early…
- p. 225 …and subsequent models were
brand new, had never flown anything like that in this area.
A…
- p. 228 …I'd never heard the
name Mogul -- the classification was that high. I knew what we…
- p. 240 …I just wanted to see
if there had been anything stated to you never to discuss…
- p. 242 …but I never knew Marcel.
in my mind, and there are
Yeah, I knew that guy…
- p. 243 …I've never seen a Japanese balloon that I know
of, I've never seen the…
- p. 246 …No, I've never seen this.
Trakowski argued that even the name Mogul was classified,
and…
- p. 249 …Out PM with
several NYU men by weapons carrier, but we never located it.
Rocket postponed…
- p. 264 …As far as I know we just
never interfaced with the military.
Q: Where were you…
- p. 266 …We never saw
anybody in security. There was certainly nobody keeping us
secure. If anything, we…
- p. 273 …who was writing a story,
and I never quite could determine whether he was on the…
- p. 274 …I have never seen such a document nor have I ever heard of
any effort to…
- p. 277 …radar
reflectors for tracking purposes-but it never comes out talking about MOGUL and the instrumentation…
- p. 278 …I never met Richard Robert Crane. I knew him only by the path of debris he…
- p. 282 …They never said it, but I know they did because they left me free to
do…
- p. 318 …Before now, however, a larger portion of the story was never
told. Recent research indicates that…
- p. 320 …and Project MOGUL as first conceived was never put into operational 1use.
However, MOGUL did serve…
- p. 321 …Moore, NYU Constant-Level
Balloon Project Engineer, stated that they were never informed of the classified…
- p. 567 …and this flight 11as never recovered. Pre-
sumably the marked easterly flow then observed above 60…
- p. 591 …ficienoy since on-ot.f' operation was never per-
mitted.
The temperature data of' these flights…
- p. 740 …The theodolite lost the balloon in clouds earlier and
the airplane observer never succeeded in seeing…
- p. 815 …Out pm with several NYU by weapon carrier but we never located it. Rocket
postponed until…
RW: After you picked that up and you turned it over to Marcel, did you ever hear anything more
about this? Did people from Washington come and talk to you about it? Did you have to swear
any security oaths or debriefing statements?
SC: I don't remember anybody from Washington coming there. It's possible that somebody came
over to talk to Marcel that I didn't even know about. To my knowledge, no. Certainly nobody
from Washington. I would have, I think, remembered that. Someone from the headshed coming
down and talking to me. Certainly, I would have. And I was not sworn into any secrecy ever
about any of this stuff.
RW: So, as far as you are concerned, none of this was ever classified? There was no attempt to,
I use the word, "cover up" this information or to classify it?
SC: Well let's put it this way: as far as I knew, I never heard anyone say, "Don't talk about this
and its hot stuff." I think Marcel, would ... rm sure he would have told me something.
RW: Would he have? Did he ever say anything to you after this incident occurred until the time
he left? Or, anywhere up until the time he died?
SW: Oh, Rich, dealing with him there in the office or the next office to him so he probably said
something about it. That he had taken it down to Ramey or something. But, nothing that would,
you know, stick in my mind of importance. Do you understand what I mean? If he had said
something like, "I took it to 8th Air Force Headquarters, General Ramey was excited; they were
going to take it to Wright-Pat" (or wherever they allegedly took it). Oh, rm sure I would have
remembered that.
RW: It had been alleged in a number ofbooks, including the one by Randle and Schmitt, that
there were a number of airplane flights back and forth of CS4's and B29's going into Wright-Pat
and Kirtland, or to Fort Worth. Back and forth, loaded up, with very tight security, hauling this
wreckage. Do you recall any of that going on?
SC: None...Nothing.
RW: And then its indicated (and not directly quoting ) Some counterintelligence people &om
Washington or Andrews (as they said in the book) had come out there and apparently done
photographs or crime scene searches or whatever. There was nobody else out there from CIC or
Counter Intelligence Corps that you knew of? Other than Rickett?
SC: Not to my knowledge. Not to my knowledge. I made a booboo. I said it was 700 C at
Bolling. I believe now that you mentioned Andrews, it could have been Andrews. But no nobody
came out. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't talk to me. CIC did some crazy things in those
days, shuttling some people around.
RW: But it would have been likely, bad you been involved in recovering something kind of
special that they would have talked to you?