Final Product (FOIA 24-F-0250)

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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 10:34
To: David Grusch
Subject: Re: Contact Request
I've been waiting in the lobby over 30 minutes. Are you showing up?
From: David Grusch
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 12:24:06 PN/
To
Subject: Re: Contact Request
Good Morning
Thank you for sending these items. As a former agency-level SAPMO and CAPCO I take security policies very seriously. In
the DoD SAPCO memo, the term "UAP-related" is not defined. FY23 NDAA Sec. 1673 Subsection B defines it as the
following:
"any activity or program by a department or agency of the Federal Government or a contractor of
such a department or agency relating to unidentified anomalous phenomena, including with respect to
material retrieval, material analysis, reverse engineering, research and development, detection and
tracking, developmental or operational testing, and security protections and enforcement."
The key issue here is that many of these activities have conventional classified and compartmented Security
Classification Guides that also cover non-UAP activities as well. To discuss the UAP-related activities would also expose
these conventional SAP mission areas. An oral history interview subject must also be absolved of this obligation to
protect this information as well, some of it may be bigoted or WAIVED (lAW DODI 5205.11 and 10 USC Sec 119).
Furthermore, as discussed Friday, I am seeking a ODNI CAPCO determination to absolve an oral history interview subject
of any NDA's relating to UAP-related and adjacent (as stated above) IC CAP information. Additionally, in my particular
case, in order to horizontally protect a portion of my oral history testimony previously provided to ICIG and the
intelligence committees, we would need to conduct the interview at the HCS-Operations (0) Restricted Handling (RH)
level (lAW DNI CAPCO manual Sec. 4). Has the CIA Office of Security (OS) or Directorate of Operations (DO) provided a
memo in this regard for oral history interview subjects? Has the OS provided a memo to also cover managed-need-to-
know (MNTK) projects not directly reported to ODNI CAPCO?
Lastly, what signed policy does AARO have to receive non-title-10 SAPs (ie, DOE and NSC)? Has the EOP NSC Security
Director, Director National Program Management Staff OUSD(I&S), or DOE SAPCO/SAPOC provided a memo similar to
the DoD SAPCO memo you provided?
v/r,
DG
On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:13 AM
liwrote:
Mr. Grusch,
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