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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs. The hearing was titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified. Members pressed for transparency and whistleblower protections, and Graves described a near miss involving a dark cube inside a clear sphere.
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43 Mr. LANGWORTHY. Thank you very much for your testimony here today, for all of you. And I yield back, Mr. Chairman. Mr. GROTHMAN. Mr. Ogles? Mr. OGLES. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you all for being here and the courage it took to come forward and, again, the sacrifice that each of you have made. I serve on the National Security Subcommittee for the Financial Services Committee so I really want to stay in the national security lane, if I may. So, when we think about traditional adversaries and both us to- ward them and them toward us, you know, we probe their capabili- ties. We look for weaknesses and we collect that data, that recon- naissance, for—in the event we need it in the future. For each of you, yes or no question. Based off of your own experi- ence or the data that you have been privy to is there any indication that these UAPs could be essentially collecting reconnaissance in- formation? Mr. Graves? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Mr. OGLES. Mr. Grusch? Mr. GRUSCH. Fair assessment. Mr. OGLES. Mr. Fravor? Commander FRAVOR. It is very possible. Mr. OGLES. Again, in the national security vein, is it possible that these UAPs would be probing our capabilities, yes or no? Mr. Graves? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Mr. OGLES. Mr. Grusch? Mr. GRUSCH. Yes. Mr. OGLES. Mr. Fravor? Commander FRAVOR. Definitely. Mr. OGLES. Is it possible that these UAPs are testing for vulnerabilities in our current systems? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Mr. GRUSCH. Yes. Commander FRAVOR. Possible. Mr. OGLES. Do you feel, based off of your experience and infor- mation that you have been privy to, that these UAPs provide an existential threat to the national security of the United States? Mr. Graves? Mr. GRAVES. Potentially. Mr. GRUSCH. Yes, sir, potentially. Commander FRAVOR. Same answer, potentially. I would say defi- nitely potentially. Mr. OGLES. Mr. Graves and Fravor, in the event that your en- counters had become hostile would you have—would you have had the capability to defend yourself, your crew, your aircraft? Mr. GRAVES. Absolutely not. Mr. OGLES. Sir? Mr. GRUSCH. No. Mr. OGLES. Based off of the information that you have been privy to is there any indication that these UAPs are interested in our nu- clear technology and capabilities? Mr. GRAVES. Yes.
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