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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs. The hearing was titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified. Members pressed for transparency and whistleblower protections, and Graves described a near miss involving a dark cube inside a clear sphere.
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39 Second, I would suggest that the radar images that were col- lected of this formation of craft out of Eglin Air Force Base and specifically the actual image taken by the actual flight crew that we can actually validate be provided to the Committee, subpoenaed if necessary, so that we are able to track how to get this type of reporting and analysis done in a more fulsome way. That would be my recommendation humbly as a guest here of the fine Oversight Committee. I yield back. Mr. GROTHMAN. Ms. Mace? Ms. MACE. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and good morning to our witnesses who are testifying today. I want to thank each of you for being here to discuss a topic of grave importance to our national security. Earlier this year a Chinese spy balloon was shot down off the coast of my home state of South Carolina. Since the Roswell inci- dent in 1947, many American have wondered about the dangers of unknown objects crisscrossing our skies. Whether these are UAPs or weather phenomena, advanced technology from American allied or enemy forces, or something more out of this world. So, my first question—I have several questions and I will—if we can just be quick on these first two. I am going to ask each of you the same question and then I will get to each of you individually. The first one, when you reported your experiences with a UAP did any of you face any repercussions with your superiors? Yes or no. Mr. GRAVES. No. Commander FRAVOR. No. Mr. GRUSCH. I have actually never seen anything personally, be- lieve it or not. Ms. MACE. All right. And then do you believe there is an active disinformation campaign within our government to deny the exist- ence of UAPs? Yes or no. Mr. GRAVES. I do not have an answer to that. Mr. GRUSCH. As previously stated publicly, yes. Commander FRAVOR. Previously with, like, Project Bluebook, yes, but currently I do not speak for the U.S. Government. Ms. MACE. OK. Thank you. I have a few questions for Mr. Graves. What percentage of UAP sightings, in your belief, go unreported by our pilots? Mr. GRAVES. This is an approximation based off of my personal experience speaking with a number of pilots, but I would estimate we are somewhere near 5 percent reporting, perhaps. Ms. MACE. So, like, 95 percent basically do not report seeing UAPs? Mr. GRAVES. That is just my personal estimate. Ms. MACE. In the incident off Virginia Beach, do you believe the Navy took the danger to your aircraft seriously after it was re- ported? Mr. GRAVES. Absolutely. Ms. MACE. A few questions for Mr. Fravor. As an expert naval aviator have you ever seen an object that looked and moved like the Tic Tac UAP? Commander FRAVOR. No.
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