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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs. The hearing was titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified. Members pressed for transparency and whistleblower protections, and Graves described a near miss involving a dark cube inside a clear sphere.
24 Ms. LUNA. OK. And then my last question for you before I move to Mr. Graves is you received prior approval from the Defense De- partment to speak on certain issues, correct? Mr. GRUSCH. Correct, through DODSR—DoD Prepublication and Security Review—and I just want to remind the public they are just looking from a security perspective. These are my own per- sonal views and opinions, not the Department’s. Ms. LUNA. OK. I am asking that, though, mainly because I think that there are many people that would like to discredit you. So, it does bring a certain amount of credibility to your testimony. Mr. GRUSCH. I am required by law to do that as a former intel- ligence officer, or I go to jail for revealing classified information. Ms. LUNA. Yes, we do not want you to go to jail. My next question would actually be for Mr. Graves. Can you please explain to me in detail the event that occurred at Vanden- berg Air Force Base? Mr. GRAVES. Certainly. In the 2003 timeframe, a large group of Boeing contractors were operating near one of the launch facilities at Vandenberg Air Force Base when they observed a very large 100-yard sighted red square approach the base from the ocean and hover at low altitude over one of the launch facilities. This object remained for about 45 seconds or so before darting off over the mountains. There was a similar event within 24 hours, later in the evening. This was a morning event, I believe 8:45 in the morning. Later in the evening, post sunset, there were reports of other sightings on base including some aggressive behaviors. These objects were approaching some of the security guards at rapid speeds before darting off, and this is information that was re- ceived through one of the witnesses that have approached me at Americans for Safe Aerospace. Ms. LUNA. Was this documented in any official form whether it was a police blotter? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. They had official documentation and records from the event that the witness held over the years. Ms. LUNA. And I am not going to ask you to do it right now for time reasons, but you would be able to sketch what was witnessed, correct? And you have—have you seen that before on any other equipment and/or during your flight time? Mr. GRAVES. I have not seen what they have described. This ob- ject was estimated to be almost the size of a football field and I have not seen anything personally that large. Ms. LUNA. OK. And then another question on followup ref- erencing the Gimbal video Go Fast incident. Can you just clarify? Because to our understanding the footage was actually cutoff at a certain point. But what happens at the end of that video, just for those Ameri- cans specifically that are wanting to know about the rest of that footage? Mr. GRAVES. Certainly. There was some uncertainty or, you know, instability with the object. It seemed to rock a bit, and that is the last I had seen of the video. Much of the data that I would recommend be analyzed would consist of radar data that would
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