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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs. The hearing was titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified. Members pressed for transparency and whistleblower protections, and Graves described a near miss involving a dark cube inside a clear sphere.
19 particularly by the 30 folks that you are working with, are essen- tially outside the scope of anything that we know of today and the technology we have today. Mr. Graves? Mr. Fravor? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. The objects that are being seen by commercial pilots are performing maneuvers that are unexplainable due to our current understanding of our technology and our capabilities as a country, and that applies for the military as well. Mr. GARCIA. Mr. Fravor? Commander FRAVOR. Yes, I concur with that. We have nothing that can stop in midair and go the other direction nor do we have anything that can, like in our situation, come down from space, hang out for 3 hours and go back up. Mr. GARCIA. Thank you. My last question—and sometimes—I know that you have also said some of these answers in the past, but we are trying to get them on the public record as well, which is really important. Mr. Grusch, finally, do you believe that our government is in pos- session of UAPs? Mr. GRUSCH. Absolutely, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over 4 years. Mr. GARCIA. And where? Mr. GRUSCH. I know the exact locations and those locations were provided to the Inspector General and some of which to the intel- ligence committees. I actually had the people with the firsthand knowledge provide a protected disclosure to the Inspector General. Mr. GARCIA. Thank you. And, Mr. Chairman, I would just say that I think that these questions are important questions and I look forward to being in- volved in the process to get those answered. I know there will be a lot of questions from other Committee Members. So, I yield back. Mr. GROTHMAN. Thank you. We will go to Mr. Burchett himself. Mr. BURCHETT. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Gar- cia. I would like to have you on the—my legislation to do just that on the reporting and we will get together on that. Maybe you can be my co-sponsor on that. That would be really cool. Thank you for those great questions. Mr. Graves, again, I would like to know how do you know that these were not our aircraft? Mr. GRAVES. Some of the behaviors that we saw in our working area, we would see these objects being at 0.0 Mach —that is zero airspeed—over certain pieces of the ground. So, what that means just like a river if you throw a bobber in it is going to float downstream. These objects were staying completely stationary in category four hurricane winds. These same objects would then accelerate to su- personic speeds—1.1, 1.2 Mach—and they would do so in very er- ratic and quick behaviors that we do not—I do not have an expla- nation for. Mr. BURCHETT. OK. Have you spoken to commercial and military pilots that have seen these off of our East Coast? Mr. GRAVES. I have.
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