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[01/08/1997 - 09/11/1997]: 24194018-20060474F-001-018-2023

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This Clinton Presidential Library folder of NSC cables, filed under "Flying Saucer or UFO" and covering January to September 1997, holds several cables plus a withdrawal sheet listing three redacted items. A Tel Aviv embassy media report notes an Israeli cartoon about a January 5 UFO alert. An FBIS translation reports that a Colombian helicopter landed in Rubio, Venezuela, prompting UFO speculation. A DoD briefing transcript quotes Kenneth Bacon saying a CIA study found no evidence of UFOs, and an FBIS summary covers Cuban radio claims about the 1947 New Mexico crash.

  • p. 13 …BACON, ASD (PA) AT THE PENTAGON MR. BACON: GOOD AFTERNOON. IT'S APRIL FOOL'S DAY…
  • p. 16 …IF IT'S SUCH A GOOD PLANE, WHY DOESN'T THE PENTAGON WANT TO BUY ANY…
  • p. 19 …CAN YOU SHED ANY LIGHT ON EITHER OF THOSE REPORTS? IS THE PENTAGON AWARE OF IT…
  • p. 20 …TO KIND OF PUT THIS STORY IN PERSPECTIVE, HAS THE UNITED STATES OR THE PENTAGON NOTICED…
  • p. 22 WITHOUT ANY PENTAGON REVIEW OF THE SECURITY THREAT? A: THE SECURITY REVIEW OF THE COSCO ARRANGEMENT…
  • p. 23 …HAVE BEEN--ARE--LOOKING AT WAYS THAT THE PENTAGON CAN BE RUN MORE EFFICIENTLY, AND THAT…
  • p. 25 …BACON, ASD (PA) AT THE PENTAGON MR. BACON: WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON. IT CERTAINLY IS A GREAT…
  • p. 28 …APOSTOLOS TSOHATZOPOULOS AND THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE WILLIAM COHEN HERE AT THE PENTAGON? A: I HAVEN…
  • p. 30 …DOES THE PENTAGON SEE ROOM FOR COMPROMISE HERE, OR IS THE PRESIDENT GOING TO INSIST, AND…
  • p. 31 …THAT IF THE CONGRESS DOESN'T LIFT THE 60-40 RULE, THAT THE PENTAGON WILL NOT…
  • p. 33 …BACON, ASD (PA) AT THE PENTAGON MR. BACON: GOOD AFTERNOON. SORRY I'M LATE FOR THE…
  • p. 36 …OF THE SECURITY PROCEDURES? AND ARE YOU CONFIDENT GENERALLY THAT SECURITY AT THE PENTAGON IS ADEQUATE…
  • p. 38 …WERE HIS ACTIONS CAPTURED ON THE PENTAGON VIDEO MONITOR? PAGE 03 RUEKJCS7746 UNCLAS A: THEY WERE…
  • p. 39 …HE'S PART OF THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM THAT THE PENTAGON HAS, SORT OF A SEPARATE…
  • p. 40 PAGE 06 RUEKJCS7746 UNCLAS NAVAL HEADQUARTERS WHICH IS ON THE FOURTH FLOOR OF THE PENTAGON. FIRST…
  • p. 41 …DOES DEFENSE SECURITY GO TO THE VITAL OFFICES AROUND THE PENTAGON AND ALSO TO PROTECT TOP…
  • p. 42 …THE PENTAGON? A: WE ARE DOING IT. WE ARE, ONE, LOOKING AT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE…
  • p. 43 …OVER THE WEEKEND, OR IT WAS RELEASED OR REPORTED ON OVER THE WEEKEND -- AS PENTAGON SPOKESMAN…

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HIM, HE WAS HANDCUFFED AND TAKEN AWAY. HE REMAINS UNDER QUESTIONING NOW.

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THE NAME OF THE INDIVIDUAL WAS RAYMOND STEVE MAESTAS. HE'S 36 YEARS OLD. HE'S 5'11" TALL, 240 POUNDS. HE IS FROM WEST COVINA, CALIFORNIA, WHICH IS NEAR LOS ANGELES. ALL OF THIS INFORMATION COMES FROM HIS DRIVER'S LICENSE.

HE WAS APPREHENDED BY AN OFFICER NAMED CHRISTOPHER FREEMAN WHO IS QUITE A BIT SMALLER THAN MR. MAESTAS. CHRISTOPHER FREEMAN IS ABOUT 5'6", WEIGHS ABOUT 165 POUNDS.

HE WAS ASSISTED IN THIS ARREST BY A SECURITY AIDE NAMED MARVIN FRAZIER.

BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT FREEMAN AND FRAZIER WERE BEHIND THE DESK THAT YOU PROBABLY ALL GO BY WHEN YOU COME IN THE MALL ENTRANCE. WHEN MAESTAS WAS UNABLE TO SHOW AN IDENTIFICATION BADGE, HE [FREEMAN] ASKED HIM TO STEP TO THE OFFICER'S RIGHT, WHICH IS OVER BY THE X-RAY MACHINE. FREEMAN WENT AROUND TO TALK TO HIM. MAESTAS WAS WEARING A KNAPSACK AT THE TIME. FRAZIER IMMEDIATELY PICKED UP THE PHONE TO CALL FOR REINFORCEMENTS. FRAZIER, RIGHT AFTER HE DIALED THE NUMBER, LOOKED UP AND SAW THAT MAESTAS HAD PULLED A GUN ON FREEMAN, BUT FREEMAN DIDN'T SEE IT BECAUSE HE WAS SIDEWAYS TO MAESTAS. SIMULTANEOUSLY, FREEMAN TURNED AROUND, SAW THE GUN WAS PULLED, IMMEDIATELY GRABBED HIS

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HAND WITH THE GUN IN IT, PUSHED IT TO THE SIDE, PUSHED MAESTAS DOWN TO THE GROUND -- WRESTLED HIM TO THE GROUND. AT THAT POINT, FRAZIER, THE AIDE, CAME AROUND AND HELPED HIM, AND THEY HANDCUFFED HIM. THIS WAS ALL DONE IN A MATTER OF PROBABLY LESS THAN A MINUTE. THE REINFORCEMENTS ARRIVED ABOUT A MINUTE, MAYBE A MINUTE AND A HALF LATER.

Q: WAS THERE A ROUND IN THE CHAMBER?

A: I UNDERSTAND IT WAS A 9MM BARETTA. IT HAD A CLIP IN IT WITH TEN ROUNDS IN IT, AND THERE WAS A ROUND IN THE CHAMBER. HE ALSO HAD, IN THE KNAPSACK, 12 OTHER MAGAZINES FILLED, SO HE HAD A TOTAL OF 120 ROUNDS IN THE KNAPSACK, 10 ROUNDS IN THE GUN, A TOTAL OF 130 IN ALL.

Q: ANY KIND OF SERVICE HISTORY THAT YOU'VE RUN ON THIS INDIVIDUAL?

A: WE DO NOT HAVE ANY RECORD THAT HE SERVED IN THE MILITARY, AS OF YET. HE APPARENTLY DOES HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD, BUT THE CALIFORNIA CRIMINAL REPORTING COMPUTER SYSTEM IS DOWN THIS MORNING, [LAUGHTER] AND WE ARE UNABLE TO FIND OUT WHAT HIS CRIMINAL RECORD IS.

Q: THERE ARE REPORTS HE ASKED FOR SOMEONE WHEN HE ENTERED

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THE BUILDING.

A: YES.

Q: CAN YOU FILL US IN ON THAT?

A: WHEN HE ENTERED THE BUILDING HE ASKED TO SPEAK TO "THE

Cases discussed

  • Roswell Incident 1947
    explosion of a UFO in New Mexico in 1947 and the results of an autopsy... kept a secret by the Americans

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Official release, from the nara collection. The PDF is mirrored here; the original link is above. The text was read from the page images by GLM-OCR; expect the odd misread word. 48 pages are in the text index: search them above, or from the library's search.