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This Ministry of Defence file, released through The National Archives and published by The Black Vault, holds the MOD's 2002 handling of Dr David Clarke's requests for UFO documents under the Code of Practice on Access to Government Information. It includes the MOD's 9 December 2002 reply, which covered reports from 1976, 1980, 1993 and 1996 and charged £260. It also contains internal emails and file requisitions, plus Foreign Office and United Nations papers from 1978 on Grenada's proposal for UFO research.
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". -.:..,;,.. ;· i 1299 U11ident(fied [ LORDS ] Flyi11g Objects 1300 [Lord Hewlett.] j trying to prove the existence of nothing phenomenon whicJ1 requircs--I have or that something docs not exist. I am given way a good number of times and I saying that in the scientific evidence so should be grateful if the noble Lord would far-and I can deal only in detail with let ·me finish my sentence. I am saying the United Kinc-dom-therc is no evider;ce that Jodrcll Bank, which covers the whole \Vhatever from the greatest radio telescope of the United Kingdom, has been on watch of a single UFO. l think that the for 30 years. It is probably the most attitudes of defence establishments world- powerful radio teiescope in the world. 1 wide, even including the Soviet Union, With great respect, if it has found nothing j are probably wise; they must display the whatsoever to report in a positive way antithesis of over-confidence and com- then, for the noble Lord, Lord Davies of placmcy. lest there should perchance be Leek, to throw at me, " some scientists some new arm of warfare that they have think that ... " is not good enough. not adequately explored or even entered. Particularly did this attitude apply in Lord DAVIES of LEEK: My Lords. 1 the first decade after the Second World we must not take more time. I' War when, frankly, the start of the " cold war" and the intense fear of the Lord HEWLETT: No my Lords, we Soviet Union's possible aggression against must not, so f fear that the noble Lordi' the West when we were the sole possessors must give way to the argument. I shall 1 of atomic V't:apons, must have provoked give way to the noble Earl Lord Kimberley. l such a degree of intense interest in the I knew that I slJould have a rough time! Ipossibility of a new arm of \Varfare. I am sorry that the right reverendThe Earl of KIMBERLEY: My Lords, Prelate the Bishop of Norwich is not does the noble Lord not think it con- here, but I am glad that the noble Lord, ceivable that Jodrell Bank says that there Lord Trefgarne, is on the Opposition are no UFOs because that is what it has Front Bench. I quote from Sir Bernard:been told to say? "Whether we are the only people in the Iuniverse is entirely a11other matter. That is a Lord HEWLEIT: I certainly think it subject of Yery serious importance and i~ being inconct:ivable-absolutcly and completely 1 investigated ". in~on~eivable. [ have known t~is 1 But there is no direct connection between sctenttst personally for more than ...iOI· the possibility of other persons occupying years. J would not drcatn of gain~ other bodies, either within or outside along for a briefing, so to speak, on the , our own solar system. However, one estimation that he was to con me or that thing is quite clear: there is an infinitesimal I was some tool of the CIA to kid vour 1 chance that there e'\ists other people who Lordships. Please do not let . m; carry I could be within our time-frame--and I this fantasy too far. I shall deai with j refer of course to the statements made by one or two other aspects of the noble/' the noble Lord, Lord Gladwyn, and the Earl's speech and then he shall see somt: noble Earl, Lord Halsburv-who would correlation to the whole of my argument. be able to spend perhaps ten or hundreds I of light years getting here and who wouldLet us turn to the defence interests of ! • 1 have surv1ved that length of time in those the P7ntagon and ,other Western defence ! atrocious conditions and entered our earth estahl1shme~~s. ''hen they have been I atmosphere assuming that they are some challenged t •. ey l.1ave r~ft~sed ,to say th~t / so~t of humanity and have some form of UFOs do not ex1~t. N?t ~a' e they sa1d I flymg . sat~'~!• or whatever our friends th:at UFO; do .cx1st. Tncy are no~ com- 1 proc!alln 1t ts. How could they possibly mttted. We a1e all men of t~Je WOfl.d and j meet us in those circumstances? Let us frankly ~here are :-dv<~nt.ages Ill makmg_ an , take the million-to-one possibility that mtern~t1onal ovc1 -csttmate of_ the posst~le 1 they could. Do your Lordships mean to potent1al str~ngth.. of one s potenti~tl , tell me that they could get so clos':! to us enemy ~nd h1~ ab1hty to combat one 1!1 I as to be sighted, but be incapable of any , sectors 111 '~htch one .cannot adequately ' form of communication or identification I rep!~. r thmk that 1t woul~ be most ! whatever? No, I am sorry. unwtse of any defence establtshment to j ; make a categorical denial of UFOs, and , l have listened most carefully to every- \ equally foolish of me to do so. I am not I thing that has been said. The noble DOl Earls, to have clai Christ, t '· the prese full vn:li hnowlcd cularly b did not had that to unde that we . 30 years in the ~u No dou proclaim of sighti not per~ mena \Vi I am even m Snl\ivan' I am af House. noble fr will rna I,particul· country we have fascinati precious SUI!!!C~t w'C'"mu. old wor But i be· the no· heaw~s· Depart;:. we ·shot• excdlen' 9.55 p.n The F Lords, Clanca ~;peech mysdf markab object~. I kno·•,: mere s: about :: almost is one l I view\ reprcse' or p~rh " ufob. the r.:- I ratho
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