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MOD file DEFE 24/2032/1

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This Ministry of Defence file, released through The National Archives and published by The Black Vault, holds the MOD's 2002 handling of Dr David Clarke's requests for UFO documents under the Code of Practice on Access to Government Information. It includes the MOD's 9 December 2002 reply, which covered reports from 1976, 1980, 1993 and 1996 and charged £260. It also contains internal emails and file requisitions, plus Foreign Office and United Nations papers from 1978 on Grenada's proposal for UFO research.

  • p. 6 …Copy of the file relating to a UFO report made by-nd- near Winchester, Hampshire on…
  • p. 7 …Files D/DS8/75/2/5 Part B (UFO Reports-August to November 1980) and D…
  • p. 9 …ofLords Debate on UFOs, on 18 January 1979. On examining our files we have discovered a…
  • p. 17 …SPfCIFIC ACTION ON UFO'S AND PRECLUDES THE INSCRIPTJOr OF A SETARATE UFO ITEM ON NEXT…
  • p. 18 …Ol<Ell ~-~i;Js"-7.-zlL- ... ! FILES F:~-~-~.:~:i ~:; ., '· .~::-~· :·:J. ~, ·) -.llJ'JD ES & SD N…
  • p. 35 …Our files contain reports and Nick Pope's letters to Dl55 and notes about D Air…
  • p. 69 …Galley had said that UFOs were real but that he, the Minister, did not know where…
  • p. 70 …It cfo!lows UFOs, the truth is simple. There really that the files must remain closed…
  • p. 134 …We may be in for a long hau1 on UFOs. The reply to the Earl will…
  • p. 185 …Copies of enclosures 1/1, 1/2,1/3,1/4 from file Dl55/1 08…
  • p. 190 …We have rio reason to believe that the so-called UFOs are attributed to anything but…
  • p. 212 …We have rio reason to believe that the so-called UFOs are attributed to anything but…
  • p. 303 …I received a non Ufo report from a gentleman (name on file) who is a recently…
  • p. 371 …I received a non Ufo report from a gentleman (name on file) who is a recently…
  • p. 451 DR CLARKE- REQUEST FOR INFORMATION Request 1 Copy of the file relating to a UFO report…
  • p. 453 …1977) on the UN debate on UFOs. (Unclassified) 18. File note dated 16 Dec 1977 seying…
  • p. 454 …French handling of UFO reports. (Unclassified) 29. Draft reply, background note and file minutes concerning Lord…
  • p. 455 …There is one file D/Sec(AS)12/7- Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs)- Alleged UFO incident…
  • p. 456 …The file contains no real conclusion to these events and Mr Pope was eventually told by…
  • p. 460 …I am currently making - for access to UFO files currently 'closed' under the 30 year rule…
  • p. 462 …UFO report made by Winchester, Hampshire on 14 November 1976. • and I have now received file…
  • p. 463 …UFO report files that we have recalled from archives show that UFO reports were once filed…
  • p. 464 I am sorry we are unable to locate the file(s) you requested on the information…
  • p. 466 …Lords debate on UFOs, on 18 January 1979. We had two files on this, but these…
  • p. 467 …Lords debate on UFOs, on 18 January 1979. We had two files on this, but these…
  • p. 468 REQUISITION FOR A REGISTERED FILE To:-DR2a2 File Nos: (1) D/DS8/75/3 UFOs- Parliamentary…
  • p. 470 …Ifthe UFO reports y, \.j.tf' '\,....,.~V'tt contains are filed in chronologie~! order as is…
  • p. 471 …The file reference D/Sec(AS)1217 UFOs, alleged UFO incident, 31st March 1993, appears 0…
  • p. 472 …Does your branch retain a list of UFO files that have been destroyed, and the reasons…
  • p. 474 …DAO ADGE1 Subject: UFO Importance: Low Sir Unfortunately, Neatishead destroyed their files (and therefore any transcript…
  • p. 476 …Copy of the file relating to a UFO report made and -near Winchester, Hampshire, on 14…
  • p. 477 …file which may contain relevant information. D/Sec(AS)12/7- Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs)- Alleged…
  • p. 478 …The files concerned are: D/DSS/75/2/2 Part L (1980) UFO Reports: Edited D…
  • p. 480 …This was produced because it was believed that some UFO files might have been over looked…
  • p. 482 . . ~·. MOD Form 262E REQUISITION FORA REGISTERED FILE To:-DR2a2 File Nos: 1) D/DS8/7517 PtA…
  • p. 486 …We have a file on these events, but I know DIS also have a file D…
  • p. 487 …The file I need is PRO reference AIR 2/18977 UFO Reports- due for release in…
  • p. 489 …Copy of the file relating to a UFO report made by near Winch~ster, ~am~s…
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on the Canadian prairies has displayed 1 scientific lobby and some nasty, cheap.
how great is this bombardment which I I debunking exercise. No, my Lords. We
have just described over a wide area. must take a serious scientific vi:::w of the
Even more staggering is the fact that it is actual surveys and of what has been
I estimated that 8,000 million pieces of stone discovered.
I and metal come to earth annually, many
. \ of these buming up on arrival and these
~- give cause for these reports of unidentified
• flying objects.
What is noticeable is the ck>se correlation
between the posiiion of the planet Venus
; and the reports of UFOs. for when Venus
i is low and-bright in the sky and when it is
I
, shining through thick mist or thin cloud
it docs much more resemble something
' other than our next door· planet of the
solar system. Why, indeed, we are told
even the great President Carter has
spotted one, but it is a pity we did not
read the rest of the subsequent report.
It was later discovered that that was
Venus precisely in those conditions I
have described. If the great President
of the United States can be wrong, it is
just possible the few noble Lords remaining
in this House tonight might be, too. Let us
face it, we all would love to escape from
the miseries and frustrations of our world,
and particularly in these recent past days.
by all means go and see " Star Wars " or
"Jaws " or any other myth, but do not
confuse that with very serious scientific
study. That is carrying romance a little
too far. We must make sure we do not
make your Lordships' House a laughing
stock by doing so.
One of the most advanced experimental
stations at Jodrell Bank-just take these
statistics on board please, my Lords-
has been on watch 24 hours a day for
30 years. Do you not think it reasonable
for me to suggest that if there were
UFOs at least one claim would have been
made, but every single thing that has been
seen and observed by radio astronomy
has been identified as natural phenomena
and as occurring from the universe itself
as we know it-I do not say from the
solar system; I say from our universe.
If there were something in it-and the
noble Earl. Lord Halsbury, is so right-
of course the scientists would have been
delighted to come forward with an
announcement to that effect. After all,
it was Jodrell Bank that managed to locate
the Sputnik when the Russians, who so
cleverly launched it, lost track of it in the
atmosphere. So do not think that this
is some denigrating comment by the
Lord DAVJES of LEEK: My Lords,
I am delif!hted to hear what the noble
Lord says.~ However, I beg the noble Lord
to remember that there are other scientists
, who say that of course we know that there
are meteorites-there have been for the
whole of time--but there are some factors
outside that range which justify (and this
is all we ask) an attempt at identifi0ation.
There is no difficulty in identifying
meteorites. We are not asking for that:
we are asking for the identification of other
types of phenomena.
Lord HEWLETT: My Lords, that
promptly begs the question. That is
precisely what J am saying. The idcnti-
cations that have been made are not
necessarily of individual meteorites: they
are of endemic portions of rockets and so
on. During 30 years study and a constant
watch for 24 hours a day there has been
not a single sighting of any description
which could possibly or remotely be
considered worthy of serious study as a
UFO. Every sit:gle thing ha.s been
explicable. With all respe-ct, it is no J.ISe
noble Lords saying that this is not a
convenient unswcr: we must find some
things that are not explicable. l am telling
your Lordship~ and it is perfectly fair.
Your Lordships may say "S::ientists ".
I am quoting one of the leading world,
radio astronomers--indeed, probably the
leading world radio astro1wrner. Frankly,
scientists can be anyr.h!ng from a B.S-::.
London University, passed yesterday.
However, I am talking about 30 years
experience of radio astronomy and a
professorship of the highest standing and
order in the whole world. Both the
United States and the Svviet Union come
to Sir Bernard at Jodrell Bank for
assistance.·
Lord DAVIES of LEEK: My Lords,
nobody is denigrating what the noble
Lord is saying, but he is off beat here.
All we are saying is that there are some of
these phenomena that need investigation~
that is all.
Lord HEWLETT: My Lords, perhaps
the noble Lord could show me just one

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