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MOD file DEFE 24/2032/1

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This Ministry of Defence file, released through The National Archives and published by The Black Vault, holds the MOD's 2002 handling of Dr David Clarke's requests for UFO documents under the Code of Practice on Access to Government Information. It includes the MOD's 9 December 2002 reply, which covered reports from 1976, 1980, 1993 and 1996 and charged £260. It also contains internal emails and file requisitions, plus Foreign Office and United Nations papers from 1978 on Grenada's proposal for UFO research.

  • p. 6 …Copy of the file relating to a UFO report made by-nd- near Winchester, Hampshire on…
  • p. 7 …Files D/DS8/75/2/5 Part B (UFO Reports-August to November 1980) and D…
  • p. 9 …ofLords Debate on UFOs, on 18 January 1979. On examining our files we have discovered a…
  • p. 17 …SPfCIFIC ACTION ON UFO'S AND PRECLUDES THE INSCRIPTJOr OF A SETARATE UFO ITEM ON NEXT…
  • p. 18 …Ol<Ell ~-~i;Js"-7.-zlL- ... ! FILES F:~-~-~.:~:i ~:; ., '· .~::-~· :·:J. ~, ·) -.llJ'JD ES & SD N…
  • p. 35 …Our files contain reports and Nick Pope's letters to Dl55 and notes about D Air…
  • p. 69 …Galley had said that UFOs were real but that he, the Minister, did not know where…
  • p. 70 …It cfo!lows UFOs, the truth is simple. There really that the files must remain closed…
  • p. 134 …We may be in for a long hau1 on UFOs. The reply to the Earl will…
  • p. 185 …Copies of enclosures 1/1, 1/2,1/3,1/4 from file Dl55/1 08…
  • p. 190 …We have rio reason to believe that the so-called UFOs are attributed to anything but…
  • p. 212 …We have rio reason to believe that the so-called UFOs are attributed to anything but…
  • p. 303 …I received a non Ufo report from a gentleman (name on file) who is a recently…
  • p. 371 …I received a non Ufo report from a gentleman (name on file) who is a recently…
  • p. 451 DR CLARKE- REQUEST FOR INFORMATION Request 1 Copy of the file relating to a UFO report…
  • p. 453 …1977) on the UN debate on UFOs. (Unclassified) 18. File note dated 16 Dec 1977 seying…
  • p. 454 …French handling of UFO reports. (Unclassified) 29. Draft reply, background note and file minutes concerning Lord…
  • p. 455 …There is one file D/Sec(AS)12/7- Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs)- Alleged UFO incident…
  • p. 456 …The file contains no real conclusion to these events and Mr Pope was eventually told by…
  • p. 460 …I am currently making - for access to UFO files currently 'closed' under the 30 year rule…
  • p. 462 …UFO report made by Winchester, Hampshire on 14 November 1976. • and I have now received file…
  • p. 463 …UFO report files that we have recalled from archives show that UFO reports were once filed…
  • p. 464 I am sorry we are unable to locate the file(s) you requested on the information…
  • p. 466 …Lords debate on UFOs, on 18 January 1979. We had two files on this, but these…
  • p. 467 …Lords debate on UFOs, on 18 January 1979. We had two files on this, but these…
  • p. 468 REQUISITION FOR A REGISTERED FILE To:-DR2a2 File Nos: (1) D/DS8/75/3 UFOs- Parliamentary…
  • p. 470 …Ifthe UFO reports y, \.j.tf' '\,....,.~V'tt contains are filed in chronologie~! order as is…
  • p. 471 …The file reference D/Sec(AS)1217 UFOs, alleged UFO incident, 31st March 1993, appears 0…
  • p. 472 …Does your branch retain a list of UFO files that have been destroyed, and the reasons…
  • p. 474 …DAO ADGE1 Subject: UFO Importance: Low Sir Unfortunately, Neatishead destroyed their files (and therefore any transcript…
  • p. 476 …Copy of the file relating to a UFO report made and -near Winchester, Hampshire, on 14…
  • p. 477 …file which may contain relevant information. D/Sec(AS)12/7- Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs)- Alleged…
  • p. 478 …The files concerned are: D/DSS/75/2/2 Part L (1980) UFO Reports: Edited D…
  • p. 480 …This was produced because it was believed that some UFO files might have been over looked…
  • p. 482 . . ~·. MOD Form 262E REQUISITION FORA REGISTERED FILE To:-DR2a2 File Nos: 1) D/DS8/7517 PtA…
  • p. 486 …We have a file on these events, but I know DIS also have a file D…
  • p. 487 …The file I need is PRO reference AIR 2/18977 UFO Reports- due for release in…
  • p. 489 …Copy of the file relating to a UFO report made by near Winch~ster, ~am~s…
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1291 V~tide!lti/ied (LORDS] Flying Objects 1292
[The Earl of Halsbury.J / Lord DAVIES of LEEK: My Lords
had seen it when sitting by the shore off . may I ask the noble FarJ one question.?
Bo~1bay. It was eyentually phot?graphed 1 Ha~ he eyer seen a mirage? That i~
durmg the InternatiOnal Geophys1cal Year, ; easily explicable, and one can also see it
the IGY, some years ago. 1 easily.
However, before that I saw it myself /
in rather odd circumstances, after having 1
read about it. I was bird watching in I
the far North-West of Scotland, by a ~ea i
loch called Loch Glcncoul, near a little 1'
village called Drumbcg, where there is a 1
cliff path. On that cliff path, there is a 1
bench for the convenie11ce of people who /
want to sit down and admire the view. ;
Another traveller, a visitor to the district, !
was sitting upon the bench when 1 sat ·
dovm and, by a chance coincidence, we
v,:erc both using the same type of Hensholt
binoculars and ·we got talking about our
binoculars. There was a spectacular
sunset, and when the sun was very low
and it was safe to look at it through
·binoculars, I said to my fellow traveller,
The Earl of HALSBURY: Yes, my
Lords, and one can reproduce a mirage
in the laboratory. You have a long trav
of sand with bunsen burners unden1eath
it, and you look at it from one end. It
is quite a reproducible kind of phenomen.
Science deals with material objects-
things such as atoms and molecules;
material processes-things such as the
emission and absoption of radiation·
and material forces-things such as th~
; force fields which couple the objects to
i the processes. But if things are not
" Let us se\! if we can watch the grc~n
flash ". So we trained our binoculars
and this very rare meteorological pheno-
menon actually happened when 1 had
just said to a fello>v bird watcher, " Let
us have a -look to see if it happens".
What would that person have made of it
if I had not been there, just by chance,
to tell him what the green flash was
about?
/ material, then science has nothing to say.
If you want to know what is the con-
sciousness of a mind, I do not think
science can either answer the question,
on the one hand, or say whether it is a
proper question, on the other hand.
Therefore, from the scientific point of
view, I can deal only -.vith the assumption
that these are material objects, ::mel, if they
! are material objects, then, if they travel
I at the kind of speeds that are alleged, .
! why do they not make supersonic bangs :
I when travelling above ~.1ach I? The ,
noble Lord, Lord Davies of Leek, made
/ this point, and the noble Lord, Lord
I Lastly, I come to ball lightning. 1 ! Rankeillour, also made it. l should lib:1
have never seen ball lightning, but the 1 to go into the point in a little more depth.description one reads of it is so coherent, 1
so similar in all cas~~. that 011e must f:ccept We customarily express the speeds of
it as a phenomenon which occurs regularly fast moving objects in terms of Mach
in nature, though we cannot reproduce numbers. Mach 1 is the speed of sound
it in nature and attempts to reproduce it appropriate to temperature and pressure
in the laboratory are, to my mind, where the sound is being propagated.
unconvincing. There is no theory of it. In terms of miles per hour, it is not a
It appears to take the form of a football- constant figure, but the advantage of using
shaped mass of glowing gas which hops it as a parameter is that no matter what the
around or, if it has a chance, gets on to a I temperature and pressure may be, Mach 1
cond!lctor f;uch as the rail in the gallery / is the speed at which the kinetic energy of
here and migrates along the conductor I a moving object-that is, the power to
until it finally disappears with a bang. / pack punch-is equal to its thermal
It has never been srrtisfactorily photo- energy. This is an unstable condition.
graphed, to my knowledge. If it has The least disturbance to these unstable
been, then the photograph must be a conditions entails the com·erison of kinetic
fairly recent one, and, as I say, it has not energy into thermal energy with a bang, and
been reproduced. But this, again, should this is what is called the shock wave. If
assure the noble Earl, Lord Kimberley, one takes a cross section through a shock
that, faced with an unknown phenomenon wave, there is a rise in pressure, tempera-
which I cannot explain, 1 do not get ture and entropy. There is complete
vertigo. J should be delighted to go discontinuity. That must happen when a
ball lighming watching, as I go bird material object is moving at Mach I or
watching. above through any medium.
1293
The answ~
noble Lord,
not had very
he sprung it c
is this. lf \ ·
what would.h
placed? Wo
;l!ld push it
means of tra•
Y•)ll arc mer
\\ ards at the
create a sup
Custom:1rily.
bangs hc-caus
stern wa,·c fr
times the ba;'
just as a thu
rumble. An)
uncomfortab!
are aware tha
bang as the ~
· . If these are
I are moving a
see th-:m doiu
so eitha the.
, they are ;JOt
: in which ca~e
optical illu::io
the rest of the
them.
In this we•:!
today, there is
and { should I
a passage fro1
h CJr\...c;sk con
r.tdar beams "·-
this tunes in
noble Lord. l
•• e;<i~led in th::;
the- nights ~l,~n tt
of December.
Neil Ch~rf)1 , h;.
spotted lla. r<!d;~r
brilliant hgl.t .,.
airborne TV ·:r.:·
There is ncd1
whether the Oj
si!!htings can::·
lhe saJuc digt
We shall ha\
b~cont~ a\~ti~a
I w~ts nr.1c
that the rig.ht
of Not'\vic:l h·
bv some of t
Lord, Lord 1
too. I do ·nt
reads the C.
H.L. S Q2

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