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MOD file DEFE 24/2032/1

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This Ministry of Defence file, released through The National Archives and published by The Black Vault, holds the MOD's 2002 handling of Dr David Clarke's requests for UFO documents under the Code of Practice on Access to Government Information. It includes the MOD's 9 December 2002 reply, which covered reports from 1976, 1980, 1993 and 1996 and charged £260. It also contains internal emails and file requisitions, plus Foreign Office and United Nations papers from 1978 on Grenada's proposal for UFO research.

  • p. 40 …But, unlike with the aircraft reported by the noble Earl, I have never seen one. I…
  • p. 43 …the United States of America which has never been made known to the public and even…
  • p. 45 …will be, Yes, and yet they have never seen one. We are asking you to believe…
  • p. 46 …selfish- ness and tendency to panic as never before since the days of the Crusades. The…
  • p. 47 …I never reached that standard of mathematics. However I know that Einstein believed that ele~tro…
  • p. 51 …The difficulty about such an explanation is that they never seem to come into actual contact…
  • p. 53 …some of the things he told us. Never- theless, I feel that it is of immense…
  • p. 58 …What sort of an interpretation would somebody who had H.L.8 Q never read about…
  • p. 59 …l should lib:1 have never seen ball lightning, but the 1 to go into the…
  • p. 60 …She said "I don't \Vant to, because it will spoil it all." They said " Never…
  • p. 62 …Of ;orts of sightings ~never it has been n·estigation they tttral phenomena pet to say…
  • p. 67 …1308 fro,m h;m ag~;n ~n many other occ";?"'· ' Why have they never tded…
  • p. 112 ..~ say that in the Air Force, for tne moment, they have never seemed to come directly…
  • p. 131 …informed that 11so far the military have never fonnd an-ything of D.nt1tjgressive nature fro…
  • p. 161 …Air Force, for tile moment, they have never seemed to come directly under air defence. ' . I…
  • p. 177 …informed that 11so far the military have never found anything of an~~gressive nature from the…
  • p. 187 …But it would be a brave man who said there could never, ever,be manned inter…
  • p. 190 …a cloud descended and picked up ~he regiment and it was never heard of again ••••••• (checking…
  • p. 192 …Let me assure this House that Her Majesty's Government has never been approached by people…
  • p. 209 …But it would be a brave man who said there could never, ever,be manned inter…
  • p. 212 …a cl6ud descended and picked up :the regiment and it was never heard of again ••••••• (checking…
  • p. 214 …Let me assure this Rouse that Her Majesty's Government has never been approached by people…
  • p. 300 …despite agreeing to complete a report form, this has never been returned - I wonder why? (13)
  • p. 320 …Mrllllllll stated that he had been a Met Officer for 8 years and had never~nything…
  • p. 368 …despite agreeing to complete a report form, this has never been returned - I wonder why? (13)
  • p. 399 …Significantly, the plot was never present on radar displays from the NATS sensors at Cromer and…
  • p. 417 …RAF Northwood was never involved in this event. confusion has arisen because Gt Yarmouth coastguard, referred…
  • p. 432 …Significantly, the plot was never present on radar displays from the NATS sensors at Cromer and…
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extra-tcrrestnal possibilities do not seem
to be fcasibk because of the very eccentric Ipaths which the objects, or iights, which
were seen seem to have taken. But if they I
are terrestrial phenomena, we ought to be
able to identify them.
I believe that any dispassionate investi-
gation, such as I understand the noble
Earl, Lord Clancarty, would wish to have,
could not ignore the possibility of the
phenomena having their origins outside
the earth and perhaps outside the solar
system. Ju~t as meteorites are chance
material projectiles originating in the solar
system, may there not be random matter
of a ditTerent character-perhaps a
luminous but insubstantial character-
that in certain circumstances becomes
visible. and attracted to our area? I
certainly should be readier to accept some
explanation in terms of what I might call
the atsronomical phenomena than ships
from outer space. It would, I suppose,
be foolish to deny that possibility, but as
an explanation of phenomena-and I
think that the noble Lord, Lord Gladwyn,
exposed this-it is surely a very long shot
indeed.
If we are to conduct any dispassionate
inquiry-and I think that we should-we
must listen to the proponents of what one
might call the Star Trek view. It can
be argued, not unreasonably, that we in
our humble way are probing nearby solar
space with our Venus and Jupiter and other
vehicular probes. \Ve have ventured on to
the Moon. ls it not presumptuous, the
argument goes, to suppose that elsewhere
in space creatures more advanced than us
are probing into our space, probing with
means now occasionally visible to us,
using their own RPVs, controlled from
stations light years away, rather on the
lines which the noble Earl, Lord Kimberley,
mentioned? It is a possibility which we
must be prepared to consider. It is a
possibility, though not many of us, I feel,
would call it a probability.
But if we do have a study of UFOs,
as the noble Earl desires, we could not
exclude the possibility of extra-terrestrial
intelligences from our consideration. This
quotation has been given twice this
evening, as well as a dozen times outside
this House in this connection, but,
" There are more things in Heaven and Earth,
Horatio",
Hamlet said,
"than are drearnt of in your philosophy".
And Heaven, my Lords, has always
offered us more pos,ibilities than earth.
Although I remain sceptical of intelligent
invasion from outer space, 1 recall the
dictum of the late Mr. Sherlock Holmes
when he was investigating the curious
matter of the Sign of Four:
" When you have diminated the impossible,
whatever remaim, however improbable, must be
the truth".
The desirability of getting mtional ancl
acceptable expianations for the odd
phenomena which arc being r.;:ported
-even if, like some other para-normal
phenomena, they are subjective--in my
opinion is not, or should not be, merely
to satisfy our curiosity. Here I am
coming from rather a different angle to
something which was discussed in greater
depth by the right reverend Prelate the
Bishop of Norwich.
There is a social danger, in my view,
in leaving people in ignorance of the
origins of these phenomena. I have
recently learned from a number of
sources that there have grown up. in
North America particularly, many groups
and cults whose attitudes arc based on
beliefs that UFOs are influential outer-
spatial manifestations interested in this
earth. In some cases these groups arc
looking to outer space for Man's salvation.
Jf this is right, !t is rather disturbing.
1. find, too, that in this country there
are groups interested, other than purely
scientifically, in the UFO phenomena.
I had a letter--and I think that other
noble Lords may have had the same letter
--earlier this week from an ecumenical
Christian group which believes, among
other things, that UFOs menace the
spiritual health of the nation; that they
are anti-Christian and that information
exists about them which is being withheld.
It seems to me that this association of
UFOs with mysticism and religion makes
explanation of the true origins of the
phenomena a matter of great importance
and of some urgency. The sooner that
each reported sighting or landing is
satisfactorily explained, the better. It
is no good just laughing them off or trying
to laugh them ofr; we must seek the truth
and tell it.
My Lords, I remain sceptical, perhaps
more sceptical than anyone who has
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