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1263 Unide11ti/ied [ LORDS ] Flying Objects 1264
[Viscount Oxfuird.]
end with a new model. Then in five or
10 years the model is thrown away and
we are back with the one answer which
applies, unfortunately, to so much of
science today; we just do not know.
But one hopes that it will be possible.
If the suggestion of the noble Earl,
Lord Clancarty, ba:ked by the noble
Earl, Lord Kimberley, is adopted-that is,
that we should have a worldwide organisa-
tion-to look into this matter and to go
further than we have ever done, why
should we not be the leaders of it? It
would twist science back into a new
field. Is it possible that there is not
merely another solar system in our galaxy,
but that somewhere in one of the many
galaxies in the expanding universe there
are other places where these things could
come from with their amazingly vast
scientific knowledge? I personally see
no valid reason why we must accept that
at this time, but we should start working
for it. If we had a worldwide organisa-
tion to try to control that, perhaps we
should be able to solve many of the
problems which face us today in the
universe; and nothing could be better:
1hen we might possibly find the answer
to our UFOs.
8.2 p.m.
Lord DAVIES of LEEK: My Lords,
as the lone fir.:ure on this side of the House
who has dared to come in on this deb3te,
may I say that it has been a pleasure to
listen to the noble Viscount, Lord Oxfuird,
who has just spoken and, \Vho has, in
his own inimitable way, as a result of
his military and other experience over
the years, brought a certain depth and
profundity to the request for some
investigation into the phenomenon with
which mankind is presented today.
Consequently, with all sincerity I can say
that I hope this House will have the
pleasure of listening to the noble Viscount
on many occasions adding his voice to
our deliberations, and I thank him for
what he has said.
Now I want to attack the problem in
my own way. First, I want to ask what
are we talking about. Secondly, after
expressing my gratitude for the maiden
Speech, I would also express thanks to
th;! noble Earl, Lord Clancarty, who
initiated this debate to call attention to
the increasing number of sightings and
landings on a worldwide scale of un-
identified flying objects. There is no
argument about that. Do not let the
noble Earl be a little bit sad because of
dandy intellectualism that may approach
this debate. The world oozes with
intellectuality and at the present moment
it is completely lacking in wisdom. Let
us remember what I have said many times
here, and it was my old mother who
taught me this; she made me go to Sunday
school and quote the text. She would say
in Welsh: "Always remember, my boy
Solomon did not ask for cleverness, h~
asked for wisdora ". There is a vast
difference between the dandy intel-
lectualism of some of the reporters on
newspapers' approach to this problem
and the wise approach that we have just
heard in this maiden speech. Let us
anchor that down. What else does the
noble Earl ask for. He says on a world-
wide scale and that there is need for inter-
governmental study. I will add to it
from the other side of the House that the
expense would be so small that we should
not neglect this.
Anybody who knows something about
laser beams-and I saw in a laboratory
in Switzerland for the first time the effect
of a laser beam-knows it would be quite
possible to throw on to that table now
an identified or unidentified obj~ct that
\Vould look palpable, like Macbeth's
dagger. Your Lordships remember the
famous dagger scene:
" Is this a dagger I see before me
The handle toward my hand? ...
In form as palpable
As this which now I draw".
We could with a laser beam throw a
dagger that would look as palpable on
to that table. There may be an under-
standing of the power of the laser and its
effect existing in some kind of technology
that is beyond the dimension in which we
can work. We have been looking in
mathematics for the fifth and even the
sixth dimension.
I had better pick up my notes, lest we
be here a long time. Noble Lords need
not worry; so much has been quoted that
it saves me a lot of quotation. I want to
ask the 64,000 dollar question. Do noble
Lords believe in angels'! The answer
from some will be, Yes, and yet they have
never seen one. We are asking you to
believe in the phenomena of flying
saucers, seen by now by, I should think,
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