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This Ministry of Defence file, released through The National Archives and published by The Black Vault, holds the MOD's 2002 handling of Dr David Clarke's requests for UFO documents under the Code of Practice on Access to Government Information. It includes the MOD's 9 December 2002 reply, which covered reports from 1976, 1980, 1993 and 1996 and charged £260. It also contains internal emails and file requisitions, plus Foreign Office and United Nations papers from 1978 on Grenada's proposal for UFO research.
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I I \~ ·~ . ;_ J (: < \ ,'' 1263 Unide11ti/ied [ LORDS ] Flying Objects 1264 [Viscount Oxfuird.] end with a new model. Then in five or 10 years the model is thrown away and we are back with the one answer which applies, unfortunately, to so much of science today; we just do not know. But one hopes that it will be possible. If the suggestion of the noble Earl, Lord Clancarty, ba:ked by the noble Earl, Lord Kimberley, is adopted-that is, that we should have a worldwide organisa- tion-to look into this matter and to go further than we have ever done, why should we not be the leaders of it? It would twist science back into a new field. Is it possible that there is not merely another solar system in our galaxy, but that somewhere in one of the many galaxies in the expanding universe there are other places where these things could come from with their amazingly vast scientific knowledge? I personally see no valid reason why we must accept that at this time, but we should start working for it. If we had a worldwide organisa- tion to try to control that, perhaps we should be able to solve many of the problems which face us today in the universe; and nothing could be better: 1hen we might possibly find the answer to our UFOs. 8.2 p.m. Lord DAVIES of LEEK: My Lords, as the lone fir.:ure on this side of the House who has dared to come in on this deb3te, may I say that it has been a pleasure to listen to the noble Viscount, Lord Oxfuird, who has just spoken and, \Vho has, in his own inimitable way, as a result of his military and other experience over the years, brought a certain depth and profundity to the request for some investigation into the phenomenon with which mankind is presented today. Consequently, with all sincerity I can say that I hope this House will have the pleasure of listening to the noble Viscount on many occasions adding his voice to our deliberations, and I thank him for what he has said. Now I want to attack the problem in my own way. First, I want to ask what are we talking about. Secondly, after expressing my gratitude for the maiden Speech, I would also express thanks to th;! noble Earl, Lord Clancarty, who initiated this debate to call attention to the increasing number of sightings and landings on a worldwide scale of un- identified flying objects. There is no argument about that. Do not let the noble Earl be a little bit sad because of dandy intellectualism that may approach this debate. The world oozes with intellectuality and at the present moment it is completely lacking in wisdom. Let us remember what I have said many times here, and it was my old mother who taught me this; she made me go to Sunday school and quote the text. She would say in Welsh: "Always remember, my boy Solomon did not ask for cleverness, h~ asked for wisdora ". There is a vast difference between the dandy intel- lectualism of some of the reporters on newspapers' approach to this problem and the wise approach that we have just heard in this maiden speech. Let us anchor that down. What else does the noble Earl ask for. He says on a world- wide scale and that there is need for inter- governmental study. I will add to it from the other side of the House that the expense would be so small that we should not neglect this. Anybody who knows something about laser beams-and I saw in a laboratory in Switzerland for the first time the effect of a laser beam-knows it would be quite possible to throw on to that table now an identified or unidentified obj~ct that \Vould look palpable, like Macbeth's dagger. Your Lordships remember the famous dagger scene: " Is this a dagger I see before me The handle toward my hand? ... In form as palpable As this which now I draw". We could with a laser beam throw a dagger that would look as palpable on to that table. There may be an under- standing of the power of the laser and its effect existing in some kind of technology that is beyond the dimension in which we can work. We have been looking in mathematics for the fifth and even the sixth dimension. I had better pick up my notes, lest we be here a long time. Noble Lords need not worry; so much has been quoted that it saves me a lot of quotation. I want to ask the 64,000 dollar question. Do noble Lords believe in angels'! The answer from some will be, Yes, and yet they have never seen one. We are asking you to believe in the phenomena of flying saucers, seen by now by, I should think, 1265 proba of th wear better the sai tains a. and s~ springi religiot I said I not be It is a a phil< asked, way in dealinf Shakes "Ther' is thou So tl Mark outside 8ft. 6 feet as park ~ accord: have l somep as a j to then Essay. It is sli says th tether. Thcr of the \Vas ¥t kind a He is ~ from ( arroga1 tin pot stretts world nothin, anothe way th ness at~ since greates the de went o Hen nil what t! - The expert In fuc write''
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