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· 1251 Unidentified [LORDS] Flying Objects 1251
[The Earl of Clancarty.] I The noble Lord, Lord Donaldson of
the White House he would release to the \ Kingsbridge, kindly confirmed to me in
public all the UFO information in the 1 his reply that the. GEPAN unit-those
Pentagon. Unfortunately, that election I are the initials of the group-had been
pledge bas not been fulfilled. I set up under the French Ministry of
. . . IIndustry, Commerce and Artisans at the
"(,!'\ \Yha.} has been happemngrm the ~ovt.et centre in Toulouse. M. Galley also added
, J"' pmon . P~oba~l~ the leaamg _ufo,~~Ist I~hat the gendann~rie were I?layin~ a very
~· ' m that country . IS Doctor Felt~ ZI.,el, Important part m UFO mvesttgations
·- Professor of Higher Mathematics ~nd questioning witnesses and examining burnt
~s~~onomy at the 'Mos~ow Aer~mautical Icircular marks on the ground where
Ls.titute. For a ~ong time he nad been UFOs had landed; or were alleged to
trymg to for~n a big UFO resca_ych group have landed. So the French have been
on a worldwide scale .. Man?' UFOs have I taking it all seriously and keeping their
been seen over the Soviet Unwn. In July, own people informed. Nobody panicked
~ugust, September and ,October 1967, for I and people did not rush like lemmines
mst.ance, giant space ~hips were seen over into the sea. ~
vanous parts of the USSR by astronomers
and other witnesses. On lOth November Is it not time that Her Majesty's
of that year, it was annou:r..ced that th~re Government informed our people of
was to be a full investigation of UFOs. what thev know about UFOs? The
This -..vas announced on Russian tele- UFOs have been coming in increasing
vision. The oueration was to be headed numbers for 30 years since the war, and
b):' Major Gen~ral Anatoly Stolyerov, I think it is time our people were told the
wtth Doctor Zl!f_:l as Number Two. , truth. We have not been invaded from
Thousands o~ U.t-0 cases ~vere. to be I outer space. Most incidents have not
analysed by sc1ent1sts and So':1et Air Force \ been hostile. Indeed it is us, the earthlings,
officer?. However, the Russmn Academy who have fired on them. There may have
for Sciences came down hard on the new \ been a few allegedly hostile incidents, but
UFO group. a11d on 27,_!h. Febr~ary, 1968, I maintain that if there is a disturbing
Pravda.~ubhsh~d.the orncml attitude of the 1 element in a phenomenon which is pretty
authont1es, ana .. he cover-up was on. friendly on the whole, we should be told
There is, however, one country which the truth. ~hatever the .tfl:lth is, I am
can be relied upcm to take a line independ- sure that an mfon.ned pu~hc IS a prepared
ent from others over many matters, and . one. 1~not_hcr thmg: It I~ on record that
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lJFOs proved to be 110 exception. In I ~oth s.Ightmg an~ landmg reports are
Febmary, 1974, rhe then French :i\.iinister \ mcreasmg all. the time. Just suppose. the
of Defence, TvL Robert GaHev, W::'l.s int.::r- ufonauts d~c1dcd. to make mass landmgs
viewed entirely about UFOs· on France- \ tomorrow 1~ this country-there could
Inter radio statim1. The interviewer was 1 well be pamc here, because our people
Jean Ciaude-Bourret. At the time there Ihave not been prepared.
was tremendous publicity in France, but
for some reason our newspapers did not
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even mention the broadcast. M. Galley reply for Her Majesty's Government at
stated that the UFOs were real b'..lt Ithe end of this debate. I should like ~o
admitted that it was not known where ask the noble Lord whether he will
they came from. He said that since 1954, ~co~~ct his right honourable frien~ .t~e r
there had been a unit in the French Mmister of Defence about the possibility
Ministrv of Defen:::e collecting UFO of giving a broadcast interview about
reports: Some of this material was sent to UFOs, as. h~s counterpart across the ;
the National Cc11tre for Space Studies in Channel did IJ?- 1971. Tha~ would go a
Toulouse, the French equivalent of the long way to discredit the view held by a
American NASA. In this Centre there . lot of people in this country that there
was ah•o a unit-a scientific one--studying \ is a cover-up. here and th~t in some V:'aY
both UFO sighting: and landing reports. we are playmg along with the Umted
"' \'1 States over this. I should also like to see
· A little over a year ago, I received some ) an intra-governmental study of the UFOs.
information that this particu)ar unit was \ All Gov~mments should get to¥ether and
under go'.'ernment sponsorships and so I it pool the1r knowledge about UFOs, and
put down a Question for Written Answer. 1 the results should be passed on to the
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