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James A. McDivitt oral history (Doug Ward)

NASA Johnson Space Center · 1999-06-29 · 110 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is a NASA Johnson Space Center Oral History Project transcript of astronaut James A. McDivitt, interviewed by Doug Ward at Elk Lake, Michigan, on 29 June 1999. McDivitt talks about flying F-86s in Korea, test pilot work at Edwards, and his first class at the Aerospace Research Pilot School. He also covers turning down Dyna-soar, joining NASA in 1962 and learning to be an Apollo Program Manager. He describes the Change Board and says decisions were not second-guessed.

  • p. 1 …the Air Force—I’d never been in an airplane. Never been off the ground. I…
  • p. 3 …Having never been in an airplane and no idea what it was all about, and I…
  • p. 7 …was that the Dyna- soar Program would never fly. The spacecraft was wrong. They were trying…
  • p. 8 …You know, it was a lifting body concept and the landing thing, but it never flew…
  • p. 10 …I wanted you to know that I realize that I should never have threatened you like…
  • p. 14 …As soon as we got selected, we were told that, “No more uniforms.” We were never…
  • p. 19 …T-38s never had much fuel, and you
  • p. 20 …And some—you know, we didn’t have everything available in the spacecraft, so never was…
  • p. 22 …It never existed then. So, there was always disagreement amongst the astronauts about what the relationship…
  • p. 28 …So, there’s always the thought that, well, maybe he was never going to come around…
  • p. 33 …We’d never had a flight longer than 30 hours, or whatever it was, that Gordo…
  • p. 38 …You know, he never got sick flying airplanes and the crazy motions that we did. And…
  • p. 39 …I mean, we would’ve never gotten to the Moon when we did if we’d…
  • p. 40 …He never got involved in the mission, because the one in the Mission Control Center in…
  • p. 43 …Fortunately, we never had to try that! WARD: Do you think the nature of the ejection…
  • p. 45 …And I never did see it again.
  • p. 46 …I never did see it until years and years later, when I started getting all these…
  • p. 49 …So, you never see more than one light, or hardly ever see more than one light…
  • p. 50 …were able to overcome these problems and never get down to where we were on our…
  • p. 54 …and backup crews did except they were never going to fly. So, they helped us test…
  • p. 57 …And some of the North American people maintain to this day that they were never told…
  • p. 59 …And then I never dealt with him again; and finally he got fired. So, I don…
  • p. 64 …We never did find them. You know, we never knew exactly what caused the fire; so…
  • p. 65 …It’s just impossible!” We were never going to get the weight on the lunar module…
  • p. 69 …Throttled the engine up and down through regimes it probably was never throttled at when it…
  • p. 74 …Well, that was never my attitude. That was never my attitude. As a matter of fact…
  • p. 83 …It never occurred except for the fire, but I know I personally expected a lot of…
  • p. 85 …I threw him out of my office and I said, “You are never, ever to come…
  • p. 86 …I ran the Apollo Spacecraft Program I never had a problem with money. We were always…
  • p. 87 …And I’d never played baseball in my life!
  • p. 91 …I thought that we should never interfere in any way with the flight crews on a…
  • p. 94 …And I think that we would’ve never had an Apollo Program if Rocco hadn’t…
  • p. 99 …I never did get my Major’s on my shoulders. He called Ed up, promoted Ed…
  • p. 105 …said who was recommending it but they never said who was opposed to it. So, we…
  • p. 108 …He never second-guessed me. He had a boss. The Associate Administrator for Manned Spaceflight and…
  • p. 109 …And fortunately, my bosses were such that they never second-guessed what I did. They just…
Johnson Space Center Oral History Project James A. McDivitt
29 June 1999 12-98
to get you guys. You, you know, you’ve pretty much had it.” So, I submitted my resignation
from the Air Force and into NASA. I had to send it to Deke, and then Deke had to send it to
Dr. Gilruth, I guess. And anyway, by the time we got through with all that kind of stuff, it
took a while and I was getting close to flying on Gemini IV, and I thought, “Well, you know,
this is getting too close. It’s going to look like sour grapes if I let this thing go forward.”
Because by the time it went through the Air Force, it would be like I was resigning two days
before I was going to fly on Gemini IV. So, I thought, “Ah, I’ll pull the resignation out and
I’ll submit it after the flight!”
So, I pulled the resignation, and then we go fly our flight. And after the flight
President [Lyndon B.] Johnson called us out on the aircraft carrier. And so, we chatted with
him. And then when we got back to Houston, we had just landed at Ellington and we’d only
been there on the ground for 15 or 20 minutes, when somebody runs out from the operations
shack and says, “Hey, the President’s on the phone and wants to talk to you two guys.” So,
we go in there and get on the phone. And he says, “Boys, I would like to have you all come
down to the ranch and spend the weekend here.” So, we chatted. And he said, “I got to give
you a medal, you know. Come on down here. We’ll have a good time.”
And so, Ed and I looked at each other; and we—by that time, we’d been together so
long we could read each other’s mind. And I’m thinking, “I think Ed wants to go to the
White House. I know I don’t.” He said, “Well, Mr. President, you know, we’d really like to
go to the White House.” He said, “Oh, hell man! If you want to go to the White House,
yeah, that’d be great. We’ll go to the White House! I just thought we’d have a hell of a good
time down here.” I said, “Well, I got another idea. Why don’t you come here and visit us?”
I said, “We’ll go to the White House if you’ll invite us, and you can come here to the
Manned Spacecraft Center.” I said, “You know, it wasn’t just Ed and me that did all this. It

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