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James A. McDivitt oral history (Doug Ward)

NASA Johnson Space Center · 1999-06-29 · 110 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is a NASA Johnson Space Center Oral History Project transcript of astronaut James A. McDivitt, interviewed by Doug Ward at Elk Lake, Michigan, on 29 June 1999. McDivitt talks about flying F-86s in Korea, test pilot work at Edwards, and his first class at the Aerospace Research Pilot School. He also covers turning down Dyna-soar, joining NASA in 1962 and learning to be an Apollo Program Manager. He describes the Change Board and says decisions were not second-guessed.

  • p. 6 …And I was a student, and Frank Borman was one of the instructors. He’d just…
  • p. 29 …What did Jim McDivitt, Frank Borman, and Neil Armstrong all have in common? MCDIVITT: I have…
  • p. 30 …Well, Frank yeah, Frank was the commander of our backup crew. WARD: Of course. Yes. And…
  • p. 63 …WARD: —and you and Frank Borman, along with George M. Low who had been named the…
Johnson Space Center Oral History Project James A. McDivitt
29 June 1999 12-67
have been one of the more dangerous missions we flew, and certainly one of the most
important to the program. Kind of run through for us what you accomplished on that flight.
MCDIVITT: Okay. Well, you know, I don’t have any problem with how it’s looked at by
other people. I really don’t care! And I could see why they would; you know, it didn’t land
on the Moon. And so, it’s hardly part of Apollo. But the lunar module was, as I mentioned
earlier, key to the whole program. And trying to get it light enough to fly was a real
challenge. We got to the point where we were filing little blousons off of castings and things
like that to get the weight down.
So, the main thing was that we got a chance to fly the lunar module to see if it really
worked. We had a few minor glitches on the descent engine, as I recall, when we first started
it up. And, oh, it worked fine. And the fact that the rendezvous worked okay. The
computers worked. The radar worked. I mean, the—we did a damn good job of engineering
it, because we really didn’t have very many big problems with the spacecraft. It all went
together well. But we had to make sure that it went together well and that it would work,
because it was really a flimsy little spacecraft.
The first time—I’ve seen a lot of models. And they had solid sides to them and all
that stuff. The first time Rusty and I went up to Grumman to do a storage review—a storage
review is something you do before you really solidify where you’re going to put everything,
and it’s so you can still make some changes—and I hadn’t been up there for a while. I was
busy on the command modules at the time. And so, I went back up there and we went in the
White Room. And we had hundreds of people, like NASA normally has. And we went over
to this vehicle sitting there in the corner, and we had two different kinds of vehicles. We had
non-flight vehicles that were heavy construction; we had the flight-weight vehicles. And we

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