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James A. McDivitt oral history (Doug Ward)

NASA Johnson Space Center · 1999-06-29 · 110 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is a NASA Johnson Space Center Oral History Project transcript of astronaut James A. McDivitt, interviewed by Doug Ward at Elk Lake, Michigan, on 29 June 1999. McDivitt talks about flying F-86s in Korea, test pilot work at Edwards, and his first class at the Aerospace Research Pilot School. He also covers turning down Dyna-soar, joining NASA in 1962 and learning to be an Apollo Program Manager. He describes the Change Board and says decisions were not second-guessed.

  • p. 6 …And I was a student, and Frank Borman was one of the instructors. He’d just…
  • p. 29 …What did Jim McDivitt, Frank Borman, and Neil Armstrong all have in common? MCDIVITT: I have…
  • p. 30 …Well, Frank yeah, Frank was the commander of our backup crew. WARD: Of course. Yes. And…
  • p. 63 …WARD: —and you and Frank Borman, along with George M. Low who had been named the…
Johnson Space Center Oral History Project James A. McDivitt
29 June 1999 12-62
crew shift. And we didn’t have any numbers for these flights. They were all lettered in those
days. There was a C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, L—and—
The C flight was a Earth orbital flight. The D flight was a Earth orbital flight with the
lunar module. The E flight was a deeper space flight with the lunar module. The F flight
was the fly out to the Moon, practice going down, but don’t land and come back. And then
the—I guess G was the landing flight. Then H was the flights that we flew in exploratory
mode. So, we—the C flights went from two to one. Then I was on the back—then I was the
prime on the lunar module thing.
So, it took us a while to figure out what all the problems were that had caused the
fire; and when we got that sort of sorted out, I moved from the command module that
would’ve been the command module for the first lunar module flight over to the next
command module. And that first command module then became the command module that
Wally and his crew flew for the first time. So, now I was on the second Block II command
module, but the first lunar module. Then we started having a lot of trouble getting the lunar
module through tests. The same problem that we had on the command module; the same
problem that we had on Mercury and Gemini.
We got to the point where we decided that the wiring in the lunar module, LM-2, was
not safe to be flown. They were using an ultra-lightweight concept where they had a wire
coming out of a black box; and instead of putting it into a plug, we were soldering it together
using shrink sleeve. Shrink sleeving is a plastic tube that you put over a wire, put the two
wires together, you solder them, you move the shrink sleeving down over the soldered joint
as insulation heat—using heat, kind of like on a hair dryer, and it shrinks down and grabs a
hold of it. Well, if you have a solder joint that’s not a good solder joint, the shrink sleeving
will hold it together and you’ll have an intermittent electrical contact. We had intermittent

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