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James A. McDivitt oral history (Doug Ward)

NASA Johnson Space Center · 1999-06-29 · 110 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is a NASA Johnson Space Center Oral History Project transcript of astronaut James A. McDivitt, interviewed by Doug Ward at Elk Lake, Michigan, on 29 June 1999. McDivitt talks about flying F-86s in Korea, test pilot work at Edwards, and his first class at the Aerospace Research Pilot School. He also covers turning down Dyna-soar, joining NASA in 1962 and learning to be an Apollo Program Manager. He describes the Change Board and says decisions were not second-guessed.

  • p. 6 …t a definition of the roles and missions of all the different military services and NASA…
  • p. 29 …control, there was no doubt in my mind what my decision would have been. The Mission…
  • p. 37 …There wasn’t anybody in that Mission Control Center who knew anything about it, so there…
  • p. 40 …Your flight—your Gemini IV mission—was also the first flight where Mission Control was located…
  • p. 61 …But sometimes they just got out of control. WARD: Getting back to the effects of the…
  • p. 68 …We made very few changes to it for the original missions. We made a lot
  • p. 69 …McDivitt 29 June 1999 12-69 of changes to it later on for the longer mission…
  • p. 90 …And nobody was getting this live feed of us possibly losing an Apollo mission. And when…
  • p. 91 …One of which was to allow the reporters in Mission Control with access to the flight…
Johnson Space Center Oral History Project James A. McDivitt
29 June 1999 12-48
Mylar balloon up there, I forget what they called it, Echo, I think it was. They wanted to
know if we wanted to see Echo. It was out at, like, 800 or 900 miles. And we said, “Oh
yeah, let’s look at that.” So, we got the spacecraft oriented around in a certain direction, and
I had a six-power telescope in the left-hand window of the spacecraft. And Dave [David R.]
Scott went down in the lower equipment bay. He had to use a 28-power telescope down
there. And so, they finally said, “Okay, it’s coming up in the sight now.” And Dave said,
“Oh yeah, I’ve got it.” He had the telescope tracking it with the computer. And so, I looked
out there and, “Oh yeah,” I said, “I can see it.” And Rusty was sitting over in the other
window and he didn’t have anything, and he said, “Oh yeah, I can see it, too!” So, we were
looking at this thing probably near 1,000 miles.
And later on in the flight, they wanted to know if we could—if we wanted to see the
ascent stage, which we put in this huge orbit around the Earth. And it was coming down, and
it was some thousands of miles away. They wanted to know if we wanted to see it. “Oh
yeah, let’s see if we can find it.” So, we put the orbit into our computer and had our
telescope track it. And we could see it. Now, we were using a 28-powered telescope, but we
could see it out at some number of thousand of miles.
WARD: This was your Apollo booster?
MCDIVITT: Yeah. It actually was the ascent stage of the lunar module.
WARD: Oh, okay.
MCDIVITT: Which was not very large.
WARD: When you were on your Gemini flight, one of the other objectives was to rendezvous

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