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James A. McDivitt oral history (Doug Ward)

NASA Johnson Space Center · 1999-06-29 · 110 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is a NASA Johnson Space Center Oral History Project transcript of astronaut James A. McDivitt, interviewed by Doug Ward at Elk Lake, Michigan, on 29 June 1999. McDivitt talks about flying F-86s in Korea, test pilot work at Edwards, and his first class at the Aerospace Research Pilot School. He also covers turning down Dyna-soar, joining NASA in 1962 and learning to be an Apollo Program Manager. He describes the Change Board and says decisions were not second-guessed.

  • p. 1 …the Air Force—I’d never been in an airplane. Never been off the ground. I…
  • p. 3 …Having never been in an airplane and no idea what it was all about, and I…
  • p. 7 …was that the Dyna- soar Program would never fly. The spacecraft was wrong. They were trying…
  • p. 8 …You know, it was a lifting body concept and the landing thing, but it never flew…
  • p. 10 …I wanted you to know that I realize that I should never have threatened you like…
  • p. 14 …As soon as we got selected, we were told that, “No more uniforms.” We were never…
  • p. 19 …T-38s never had much fuel, and you
  • p. 20 …And some—you know, we didn’t have everything available in the spacecraft, so never was…
  • p. 22 …It never existed then. So, there was always disagreement amongst the astronauts about what the relationship…
  • p. 28 …So, there’s always the thought that, well, maybe he was never going to come around…
  • p. 33 …We’d never had a flight longer than 30 hours, or whatever it was, that Gordo…
  • p. 38 …You know, he never got sick flying airplanes and the crazy motions that we did. And…
  • p. 39 …I mean, we would’ve never gotten to the Moon when we did if we’d…
  • p. 40 …He never got involved in the mission, because the one in the Mission Control Center in…
  • p. 43 …Fortunately, we never had to try that! WARD: Do you think the nature of the ejection…
  • p. 45 …And I never did see it again.
  • p. 46 …I never did see it until years and years later, when I started getting all these…
  • p. 49 …So, you never see more than one light, or hardly ever see more than one light…
  • p. 50 …were able to overcome these problems and never get down to where we were on our…
  • p. 54 …and backup crews did except they were never going to fly. So, they helped us test…
  • p. 57 …And some of the North American people maintain to this day that they were never told…
  • p. 59 …And then I never dealt with him again; and finally he got fired. So, I don…
  • p. 64 …We never did find them. You know, we never knew exactly what caused the fire; so…
  • p. 65 …It’s just impossible!” We were never going to get the weight on the lunar module…
  • p. 69 …Throttled the engine up and down through regimes it probably was never throttled at when it…
  • p. 74 …Well, that was never my attitude. That was never my attitude. As a matter of fact…
  • p. 83 …It never occurred except for the fire, but I know I personally expected a lot of…
  • p. 85 …I threw him out of my office and I said, “You are never, ever to come…
  • p. 86 …I ran the Apollo Spacecraft Program I never had a problem with money. We were always…
  • p. 87 …And I’d never played baseball in my life!
  • p. 91 …I thought that we should never interfere in any way with the flight crews on a…
  • p. 94 …And I think that we would’ve never had an Apollo Program if Rocco hadn’t…
  • p. 99 …I never did get my Major’s on my shoulders. He called Ed up, promoted Ed…
  • p. 105 …said who was recommending it but they never said who was opposed to it. So, we…
  • p. 108 …He never second-guessed me. He had a boss. The Associate Administrator for Manned Spaceflight and…
  • p. 109 …And fortunately, my bosses were such that they never second-guessed what I did. They just…
Johnson Space Center Oral History Project James A. McDivitt
29 June 1999 12-46
The fact that I could see it was—pretty much meant to me that it was in our orbit. If
it was in a different orbit, we would’ve—going 18,000 miles an hour, it would’ve went by us
so fast that we’d have never seen it at all. I had no idea whether it was a little thing up close
to the window or it was a big thing out a little bit further. It could’ve been the size of the
Empire State Building for all I knew way out there. But I’m sure it was in the—in our orbit
and it probably was a piece of ice that had fallen off the spacecraft someplace. Or maybe a
piece of Mylar that had come out from behind the thing and come up in front.
Nothing ever showed up on the photographs. I reviewed them all. They were
probably out of focus and I didn’t have time to adjust anything. I didn’t—I couldn’t adjust
the F-stops or the range or anything. I just grabbed the cameras and took a picture. So,
anyway, that was it. And—but I got to be a world-renowned UFO expert over that!
The thing that really exacerbated the problem was when we got back to—when the
film got back to Houston, we were still out on an aircraft carrier. They printed up all the
EVA film, which was of great interest because nobody had ever seen an EVA before,
and had a huge press conference. All that stuff was shown at the press conference. Some
reporter wanted to know about the UFO. NASA said they hadn’t printed all of the photos.
They would print them later that night. He hung around and eventually they got them all
printed. And I understand—many years later I figured this out, or at least I think I figured it
out, this guy and a photo tech went through all the photos; and they picked out one that
looked like a bunch of spacecraft from some foreign planet. They were disc-shaped things
with a tail. I think there were three or four of them in an echelon formation. And then that
got printed someplace. I never did see it until years and years later, when I started getting all
these requests to appear on UFO shows.
I went back and then I saw what the thing was. And really what it was, was a

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