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James A. McDivitt oral history (Doug Ward)

NASA Johnson Space Center · 1999-06-29 · 110 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is a NASA Johnson Space Center Oral History Project transcript of astronaut James A. McDivitt, interviewed by Doug Ward at Elk Lake, Michigan, on 29 June 1999. McDivitt talks about flying F-86s in Korea, test pilot work at Edwards, and his first class at the Aerospace Research Pilot School. He also covers turning down Dyna-soar, joining NASA in 1962 and learning to be an Apollo Program Manager. He describes the Change Board and says decisions were not second-guessed.

  • p. 1 …the Air Force—I’d never been in an airplane. Never been off the ground. I…
  • p. 3 …Having never been in an airplane and no idea what it was all about, and I…
  • p. 7 …was that the Dyna- soar Program would never fly. The spacecraft was wrong. They were trying…
  • p. 8 …You know, it was a lifting body concept and the landing thing, but it never flew…
  • p. 10 …I wanted you to know that I realize that I should never have threatened you like…
  • p. 14 …As soon as we got selected, we were told that, “No more uniforms.” We were never…
  • p. 19 …T-38s never had much fuel, and you
  • p. 20 …And some—you know, we didn’t have everything available in the spacecraft, so never was…
  • p. 22 …It never existed then. So, there was always disagreement amongst the astronauts about what the relationship…
  • p. 28 …So, there’s always the thought that, well, maybe he was never going to come around…
  • p. 33 …We’d never had a flight longer than 30 hours, or whatever it was, that Gordo…
  • p. 38 …You know, he never got sick flying airplanes and the crazy motions that we did. And…
  • p. 39 …I mean, we would’ve never gotten to the Moon when we did if we’d…
  • p. 40 …He never got involved in the mission, because the one in the Mission Control Center in…
  • p. 43 …Fortunately, we never had to try that! WARD: Do you think the nature of the ejection…
  • p. 45 …And I never did see it again.
  • p. 46 …I never did see it until years and years later, when I started getting all these…
  • p. 49 …So, you never see more than one light, or hardly ever see more than one light…
  • p. 50 …were able to overcome these problems and never get down to where we were on our…
  • p. 54 …and backup crews did except they were never going to fly. So, they helped us test…
  • p. 57 …And some of the North American people maintain to this day that they were never told…
  • p. 59 …And then I never dealt with him again; and finally he got fired. So, I don…
  • p. 64 …We never did find them. You know, we never knew exactly what caused the fire; so…
  • p. 65 …It’s just impossible!” We were never going to get the weight on the lunar module…
  • p. 69 …Throttled the engine up and down through regimes it probably was never throttled at when it…
  • p. 74 …Well, that was never my attitude. That was never my attitude. As a matter of fact…
  • p. 83 …It never occurred except for the fire, but I know I personally expected a lot of…
  • p. 85 …I threw him out of my office and I said, “You are never, ever to come…
  • p. 86 …I ran the Apollo Spacecraft Program I never had a problem with money. We were always…
  • p. 87 …And I’d never played baseball in my life!
  • p. 91 …I thought that we should never interfere in any way with the flight crews on a…
  • p. 94 …And I think that we would’ve never had an Apollo Program if Rocco hadn’t…
  • p. 99 …I never did get my Major’s on my shoulders. He called Ed up, promoted Ed…
  • p. 105 …said who was recommending it but they never said who was opposed to it. So, we…
  • p. 108 …He never second-guessed me. He had a boss. The Associate Administrator for Manned Spaceflight and…
  • p. 109 …And fortunately, my bosses were such that they never second-guessed what I did. They just…
Johnson Space Center Oral History Project James A. McDivitt
29 June 1999 12-45
WARD: Your Gemini IV flight had one other occurrence that is remembered by some. And
that is a report, from you I believe, that you had encountered an object in orbit whose origins
you were not certain of. And of course, the UFO [Unidentified Flying Object] buffs
immediately thought you had seen an alien spacecraft.
MCDIVITT: The story of how I became a UFO expert! Well, what happened was that we
were low on fuel and the spacecraft was just tumbling through space, end over end and
sideways and all over. Ed was asleep. We were taking turns sleeping. And Ed was asleep,
and I was doing something in the spacecraft. I looked outside, just glanced up, and there was
something out there. It had a geometrical shape similar to a beer can or a pop can, and with a
little thing like maybe like a pencil or something sticking out of it. That relative size,
dimensionally. It was all white.
And I’d—we had all of our rocket engines shut off. I mean, we had the electronics
form shut off. We were a battery-powered spacecraft, so we were trying to save electrical
energy. And I immediately reached up and turned on the—pushed in the circuit breakers,
because I thought I might have to maneuver around this thing, whatever it was. I couldn’t
tell how close it was, how big it was. I grabbed a camera and took a picture. It was just
floating there. I grabbed it and took it a picture. I grabbed another one and took a picture.
And then the spacecraft rotated around where I couldn’t see it.
Finally the rockets warmed up. The electronics warmed up. Remember, these
were the Dark Ages. It takes a while to warm up! And so, by the time they got to where
they’d worked, I didn’t have any attitude indicators. We had all the instrumentation shut off,
too. So—and we were looking at the black sky; I had no reference whatsoever. So, I tried to
fly the spacecraft back down to where I thought it was. And I never did see it again.

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