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James A. McDivitt oral history (Doug Ward)

NASA Johnson Space Center · 1999-06-29 · 110 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is a NASA Johnson Space Center Oral History Project transcript of astronaut James A. McDivitt, interviewed by Doug Ward at Elk Lake, Michigan, on 29 June 1999. McDivitt talks about flying F-86s in Korea, test pilot work at Edwards, and his first class at the Aerospace Research Pilot School. He also covers turning down Dyna-soar, joining NASA in 1962 and learning to be an Apollo Program Manager. He describes the Change Board and says decisions were not second-guessed.

  • p. 1 …the Air Force—I’d never been in an airplane. Never been off the ground. I…
  • p. 3 …Having never been in an airplane and no idea what it was all about, and I…
  • p. 7 …was that the Dyna- soar Program would never fly. The spacecraft was wrong. They were trying…
  • p. 8 …You know, it was a lifting body concept and the landing thing, but it never flew…
  • p. 10 …I wanted you to know that I realize that I should never have threatened you like…
  • p. 14 …As soon as we got selected, we were told that, “No more uniforms.” We were never…
  • p. 19 …T-38s never had much fuel, and you
  • p. 20 …And some—you know, we didn’t have everything available in the spacecraft, so never was…
  • p. 22 …It never existed then. So, there was always disagreement amongst the astronauts about what the relationship…
  • p. 28 …So, there’s always the thought that, well, maybe he was never going to come around…
  • p. 33 …We’d never had a flight longer than 30 hours, or whatever it was, that Gordo…
  • p. 38 …You know, he never got sick flying airplanes and the crazy motions that we did. And…
  • p. 39 …I mean, we would’ve never gotten to the Moon when we did if we’d…
  • p. 40 …He never got involved in the mission, because the one in the Mission Control Center in…
  • p. 43 …Fortunately, we never had to try that! WARD: Do you think the nature of the ejection…
  • p. 45 …And I never did see it again.
  • p. 46 …I never did see it until years and years later, when I started getting all these…
  • p. 49 …So, you never see more than one light, or hardly ever see more than one light…
  • p. 50 …were able to overcome these problems and never get down to where we were on our…
  • p. 54 …and backup crews did except they were never going to fly. So, they helped us test…
  • p. 57 …And some of the North American people maintain to this day that they were never told…
  • p. 59 …And then I never dealt with him again; and finally he got fired. So, I don…
  • p. 64 …We never did find them. You know, we never knew exactly what caused the fire; so…
  • p. 65 …It’s just impossible!” We were never going to get the weight on the lunar module…
  • p. 69 …Throttled the engine up and down through regimes it probably was never throttled at when it…
  • p. 74 …Well, that was never my attitude. That was never my attitude. As a matter of fact…
  • p. 83 …It never occurred except for the fire, but I know I personally expected a lot of…
  • p. 85 …I threw him out of my office and I said, “You are never, ever to come…
  • p. 86 …I ran the Apollo Spacecraft Program I never had a problem with money. We were always…
  • p. 87 …And I’d never played baseball in my life!
  • p. 91 …I thought that we should never interfere in any way with the flight crews on a…
  • p. 94 …And I think that we would’ve never had an Apollo Program if Rocco hadn’t…
  • p. 99 …I never did get my Major’s on my shoulders. He called Ed up, promoted Ed…
  • p. 105 …said who was recommending it but they never said who was opposed to it. So, we…
  • p. 108 …He never second-guessed me. He had a boss. The Associate Administrator for Manned Spaceflight and…
  • p. 109 …And fortunately, my bosses were such that they never second-guessed what I did. They just…
Johnson Space Center Oral History Project James A. McDivitt
29 June 1999 12-35
hopeless to try to maneuver around much with just it. But we didn’t have much gas in it and
the tether wasn’t too long, and we couldn’t get in a lot of trouble. But the things that were
important were getting the hatch open, getting the hatch closed, getting out, getting back in,
the equipment that you needed, what the thermal protection was going to be, what the
micrometeorite protection was going to be. Just the fact that we could go out and do that
stuff was very important.
And then probably the hairiest thing that happened to me in space was on that—on
the EVA with our hatch. We’d had a problem with the hatch in the altitude chamber at
McDonnell. We’d done this chamber test and, because we were going to open and close the
hatch in vacuum, well, we thought, we’ll put that into the chamber test. So, right at the end
of the test, we depressurized the spacecraft. You know, the altitude chamber’s just a big
metal box; you can suck all the air out of it. So, we were in this vacuum, and we
depressurized the spacecraft. The suits—we went through all the suit checks and stuff like
that. Then we opened up the hatch.
It was very heavy on the ground, so then we had some additional things that helped us
get it open. Got it open, did some—oh, whatever. I don’t know. Went through some
routine. Then we brought the hatch back down. And we went to lock it, and it wouldn’t
lock. And we were towards the end of the test. We’d been in it, like, probably 10 or 12
hours by then; 14 hours. I don’t know what; it was a long, long time. And we were at—near
the end of the whole test; and we just said, “Oh, we’ll just go through and do the rest of it in
our suits,” pressurized in our suits. So, we did. And so, 30 or 40 minutes, the test was over;
and we went in and they re-pressurized the chamber. We went on in and took a shower and
did our debriefing; and then I went out to see the technician who was working on the hatch
because it was a little concerning that you—when you moved the handle nothing happened to

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