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James A. McDivitt oral history (Doug Ward)

NASA Johnson Space Center · 1999-06-29 · 110 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is a NASA Johnson Space Center Oral History Project transcript of astronaut James A. McDivitt, interviewed by Doug Ward at Elk Lake, Michigan, on 29 June 1999. McDivitt talks about flying F-86s in Korea, test pilot work at Edwards, and his first class at the Aerospace Research Pilot School. He also covers turning down Dyna-soar, joining NASA in 1962 and learning to be an Apollo Program Manager. He describes the Change Board and says decisions were not second-guessed.

  • p. 6 …t a definition of the roles and missions of all the different military services and NASA…
  • p. 29 …control, there was no doubt in my mind what my decision would have been. The Mission…
  • p. 37 …There wasn’t anybody in that Mission Control Center who knew anything about it, so there…
  • p. 40 …Your flight—your Gemini IV mission—was also the first flight where Mission Control was located…
  • p. 61 …But sometimes they just got out of control. WARD: Getting back to the effects of the…
  • p. 68 …We made very few changes to it for the original missions. We made a lot
  • p. 69 …McDivitt 29 June 1999 12-69 of changes to it later on for the longer mission…
  • p. 90 …And nobody was getting this live feed of us possibly losing an Apollo mission. And when…
  • p. 91 …One of which was to allow the reporters in Mission Control with access to the flight…
Johnson Space Center Oral History Project James A. McDivitt
29 June 1999 12-22
to share documentation? A reluctance on the part of the astronaut management to let flight
controllers have access to checklists, things like that, or was that pretty well smoothed over
and working when you got involved in it?
MCDIVITT: It’s an interesting question. I—when you say the Astronaut Office, that implies
that there’s this homogeneous, uniform opinion which never existed. It may today, but I
don’t know. It never existed then. So, there was always disagreement amongst the
astronauts about what the relationship with the flight controller ought to be. I got along with
them great! And I would share anything with them. It didn’t make any difference what they
wanted. I mean, I didn’t have any secrets. And so, I never had a problem like that. But
some of the guys—some of the astronauts didn’t get along that well with them!
WARD: Do you think—
MCDIVITT: And some of the astronauts didn’t get along that well with the contractors,
because they were, I thought, overbearing, demanding, idiotic, unreasonable, and I mean, that
didn’t contribute anything to anybody whatsoever.
WARD: So, in your view, that would have been more of an individual difference with
commanders than it was a policy?
MCDIVITT: An individual relationship, yes. My crews always got along great with them. As
a matter of fact, I always looked at it as sort of a flight team, whether it was Flight
Operations Directorate or Flight Crew Directorate, or whatever we called them in those days.
It was sort of a flight team.

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