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James A. McDivitt oral history (Doug Ward)

NASA Johnson Space Center · 1999-06-29 · 110 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is a NASA Johnson Space Center Oral History Project transcript of astronaut James A. McDivitt, interviewed by Doug Ward at Elk Lake, Michigan, on 29 June 1999. McDivitt talks about flying F-86s in Korea, test pilot work at Edwards, and his first class at the Aerospace Research Pilot School. He also covers turning down Dyna-soar, joining NASA in 1962 and learning to be an Apollo Program Manager. He describes the Change Board and says decisions were not second-guessed.

  • p. 6 …t a definition of the roles and missions of all the different military services and NASA…
  • p. 29 …control, there was no doubt in my mind what my decision would have been. The Mission…
  • p. 37 …There wasn’t anybody in that Mission Control Center who knew anything about it, so there…
  • p. 40 …Your flight—your Gemini IV mission—was also the first flight where Mission Control was located…
  • p. 61 …But sometimes they just got out of control. WARD: Getting back to the effects of the…
  • p. 68 …We made very few changes to it for the original missions. We made a lot
  • p. 69 …McDivitt 29 June 1999 12-69 of changes to it later on for the longer mission…
  • p. 90 …And nobody was getting this live feed of us possibly losing an Apollo mission. And when…
  • p. 91 …One of which was to allow the reporters in Mission Control with access to the flight…
Johnson Space Center Oral History Project James A. McDivitt
29 June 1999 12-11
MCDIVITT: Yeah.
WARD: And you really became kind of the core, as you look back on it—the management
core, the leadership core of the Apollo Program. And also, a lot of the leadership and
command responsibilities for Gemini. Did you have much involvement with Mercury at that
time? Or was it pretty much straight into Gemini and Apollo?
MCDIVITT: Oh no. See, when we got there the—by the time we got to NASA, it was around
the 1st of October of ’62. [Alan B.] Shepard [Jr.] , [Virgil I. “Gus”] Grissom, [John H.]
Glenn [Jr.] , [M. Scott] Carpenter had already flown. And we got there early in October. We
were told we were going to have like a month to sort of get settled in. But the second day we
were there, I think, we were told we were going to leave for the Cape [Canaveral, Florida]
that night for [Walter M.] Schirra’s [Jr.] flight. So, we went out down there and we watched
it. But we didn’t really contribute anything to it. And then, when [L. Gordon] Cooper [Jr.]
flew, we went down about three or four weeks before the flight and just watched the
countdowns but we didn’t—we made no contribution whatsoever. As a matter of fact, we
were probably in everybody’s way. But at any rate, we were down there on a learning
experience to see what it was like before the flight.
WARD: And of course, Cooper’s was the last of the Mercury flights.
MCDIVITT: It was the last of the Mercury Seven.
WARD: So, you focused very early on, on Gemini and, I presume, Apollo.
MCDIVITT: Yeah, yeah. Well, when we got there, we were all—the nine of us were assigned

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