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This is the printed transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing before the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, chaired by Rep. Glenn Grothman. Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Navy Commander David Fravor testified on unidentified anomalous phenomena. Members pressed for transparency, whistleblower protection and better pilot reporting. Graves described a near mid-air collision with a dark cube inside a clear sphere off the Eastern Seaboard.
25 provide precise kinematics on the object as well as the fleet of ob- jects that were operating nearby. Ms. LUNA. OK. And the followup, in regard to the recording pro- cedures that Mr. Garcia had addressed on as well as Representa- tive Burchett, with the FAA, to your understanding, pilots that are seeing this—commercial airline pilots—are they receiving cease and desist letters from corporations for coming forward with infor- mation in regard to safety for potential airline passengers? Mr. GRAVES. I have been made privy to conversations with com- mercial aviators who have received cease and desist orders. Ms. LUNA. So, the American public should know that corpora- tions are putting their own reputations on the—not the line but ahead of the safety of the American people, and I think would you agree with that statement? Mr. GRAVES. It appears so. Ms. LUNA. OK. I guess this would be my last—oh, I am out of time. I yield. I will be back. Mr. GROTHMAN. Good. Mr. Moskowitz? Mr. MOSKOWITZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Gentlemen, let us talk about the laws of physics for a second. Mr. Graves and Commander Fravor, I heard you talk about speed. When those objects broke the sound barrier, did they make a sonic boom? Commander FRAVOR. I was in a jet. You cannot hear anything. It is kind of loud in there. Mr. GRAVES. Yes. You are not able to actually personally tell within the vehicle. I will say the objects that we were seeing they were spherical, and they were observed up to Mach 2, which is a very nonaerodynamic shape. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. What about G forces? Let us talk about G forces of those vehicles. Could a human survive those G forces with known technology today? Mr. GRAVES. No. Commander FRAVOR. No, not for the acceleration rates that we observed. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. OK. What about what they looked like? How close did you get? Did you see a seam or a rivet or a section? And what I mean is, obviously, the jets you are flying have all those things. Did these objects have those? Mr. GRAVES. I did not have the detail to be able to tell that. Commander FRAVOR. So, we got within a half mile of the Tic Tac, which people say that is pretty far, but in airplanes that is actually relatively close. No, it was perfectly white, smooth, no windows, al- though when we did take the original FLIR video that is out there when you put it on a big screen it actually had two little objects that came out of the bottom of it. But other than that, no windows, no seams, no nothing. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. Mr. Grusch, as a result of your previous govern- ment work, have you met with people with direct knowledge or have direct knowledge yourself of nonhuman origin craft? Mr. GRUSCH. Yes. I personally interviewed those individuals. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. Mr. Grusch, as a result of your previous govern- ment work have you met with people with direct knowledge or
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