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This is the printed transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing before the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, chaired by Rep. Glenn Grothman. Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Navy Commander David Fravor testified on unidentified anomalous phenomena. Members pressed for transparency, whistleblower protection and better pilot reporting. Graves described a near mid-air collision with a dark cube inside a clear sphere off the Eastern Seaboard.
9 They ask themselves how come when a Russian jet shoots flares at one of our drones—we have perfect pictures and videos to show the American people and the world—but when it comes to UAPs nothing. Of course, we must always protect our national security to main- tain our superiority like when stealth helicopters were only ru- mored to exist but were used in the Osama bin Laden raid in 2011. But we cannot allow that to be used as a shield to keep the American people completely in the dark from basic truths. The American people deserve to hear more about special access pro- grams. Congress has a right to know if there is any unsanctioned weap- ons development satellite imagery that has not been provided to Congress. Congress created the All-Domain Resolution Office in the NDAA of 2022. In its initial analysis there are 171 uncharacterized UAP re- ports—and this is the words from the report—that appear to have demonstrated unusual flight characteristics or performance capa- bilities. I believe more information is known about the 171 instances. It is time for Congress to reinsert ourselves. I call on our military leaders and intelligence officials to release more information to the American people about UAPs. And to our military leaders, if there is nothing to conceal let Congress go to Wright Patterson Air Force Base, the Doug Wright Proving Ground, or even Groom Lake in Nevada. We should have disclosure today. We should have disclo- sure tomorrow. The time has come. Thank you, Ranking Member. Mr. GARCIA. Thank you, Mr. Moskowitz, and I will yield back now to our Chairman. Thank you. Mr. GROTHMAN. Alright. Now I would like to introduce our wit- nesses. Our first witness is Lieutenant Ryan Graves. He is the Ex- ecutive Director of Americans for Safe Aerospace. Lieutenant Graves is also a former U.S. Navy F–18 pilot with his own UAP experience. The next witness, David Grusch, is a former senior intelligence officer with the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency and was a senior technical advisor for UAP issues. And, finally, retired Navy Commander David Fravor, squadron leader who worked as a naval aviator for 18 years. Mr. Fravor has his own UAP experience known as the Tic Tac event. I look forward to hearing from all three of you today. Pursuant to Committee Rule 9(g), the witnesses will please stand and raise their right hands. Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? [Witnesses are sworn.] Mr. GROTHMAN. Let the record show that all the witnesses an- swered in the affirmative. You may be seated. We appreciate you all being here today and look forward to your testimony. I will remind the witnesses that we have read your written state- ments and they will appear in full in the hearing record. Please try to limit your oral statements to 5 minutes.
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