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This is the printed record of a July 26, 2023 hearing of the House Oversight and Accountability Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, published by the U.S. Government Publishing Office as Serial No. 118-53. Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified about unidentified anomalous phenomena. Members pressed for government transparency, criticized AARO's classified budget and stigma against reporting, and Graves described a near miss with a dark cube inside a clear sphere.
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33 But IR&D is literally internal to the contractors. So, as long as it is money, either profits, private investment, et cetera, they do whatever they want. Ms. OCASIO-CORTEZ. And to put a finer point on it, when there is a requirement for any agency or company to—or any agency to notify Congress, do they contact the chairman of a committee? Do they get them on the phone specifically? Is this through an email to, hypothetically, a dead email box? Mr. GRUSCH. A lot of it comes through what they call the PPR— Periodic Program Review process—if it is, you know, a SAP or con- trolled access program equity, and then those go to the specific committees, whether it be the SASC, HASC—— Ms. OCASIO-CORTEZ. OK. Thank you. I apologize. I just—my time is limited. Mr. Graves, one of your main concerns that the FAA currently does not have an official process to receive reports of UAP from pi- lots or others, correct? Mr. GRAVES. Correct. Ms. OCASIO-CORTEZ. And in your experience what data should the AARO program prioritize for potential collection? We have, you know, location, date, time, but are there other specific characteris- tics that should be included in these reports? Mr. GRAVES. Certainly. I think that there is two categories that would be important. One would be kinematics and understanding the specifics of how the vehicle or objects are moving, and the sec- ond would be a more zoomed out approach of being able to look at origin and destination after or before the incident as well as getting a better contextual understanding of how these objects are inter- acting with each other. Ms. OCASIO-CORTEZ. Thank you. Now, because I only have a minute left—I apologize we only have 5 minutes today. But for the record, if you were me where would you look? Titles, programs, de- partments, regions—if you could just name anything. And I put that as an open question to the three of you. Mr. GRUSCH. I would be happy to give you that in a closed envi- ronment. I can tell you specifically. Ms. OCASIO-CORTEZ. Thank you. Commander Fravor? Commander FRAVOR. I would say and I have told people that you have to know where to look. They are not going to divulge it to you because of the classification levels. But if you know where to look and who to talk to, which is exactly where Mr. Grusch can point you then you have them. Ms. OCASIO-CORTEZ. OK. Mr. Graves? Mr. GRAVES. I was an operator, so I was depending on folks like Mr. Grusch to do that homework. Ms. OCASIO-CORTEZ. OK. Thank you very much. I yield back to the Chair. Mr. GROTHMAN. Mr. Biggs? Mr. BIGGS. Thanks. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. I thank the wit- nesses for being here today. I am over here. Thank you so much for being here. I want to get into the spe- cifics here and the reason I am going to go this way is because you have talked a bit about what I would call misdirection by official
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