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This is the printed record of a July 26, 2023 hearing of the House Oversight and Accountability Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, published by the U.S. Government Publishing Office as Serial No. 118-53. Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified about unidentified anomalous phenomena. Members pressed for government transparency, criticized AARO's classified budget and stigma against reporting, and Graves described a near miss with a dark cube inside a clear sphere.
20 Mr. BURCHETT. OK. Mr. Fravor, I noticed that in the Tic Tac video—it is Tic Tac like the candy, not TikTok like the Chinese Communist app. Commander FRAVOR. That is correct. Mr. BURCHETT. Yes, sir. I just want to make that—because my daughter corrected me on that and called me a Boomer and said, hey, Boomer, and I said, no, baby, it is Tic Tac like the candy. You are going to have to just look it up. And but I would also like to say today is a day of many firsts. It is a miracle that we are having this meeting and it is also a mir- acle that my wife has put up with me for 9 years today. Today is my anniversary. So, I want to tell my wife happy anniversary and that I love her very much. As she likes to say, this 9 years have been the best 2 years of her life. [Laughter.] Mr. BURCHETT. So, thank you. Mr. Fravor, what astonished you the most about the flight capa- bilities of these Tic Tac, very briefly? Commander FRAVOR. The performance. Absolute performance. It was—— Mr. BURCHETT. And you are not aware of any other objects that anybody in the world has in this world that has those capabilities? Commander FRAVOR. No. I think it is far beyond, actually, our material science that we currently possess. Mr. BURCHETT. Are you aware of any other reconnaissance plat- forms have tracked or recorded the Tic Tac’s maneuvers, maybe the NORAD system or any of the others? Commander FRAVOR. I am not. Mr. BURCHETT. OK. Mr. Grusch, thank you for being here, brother, and thank you all very much. Have you faced any retaliation or reprisals for any of your testi- mony or anything on these lines? Mr. GRUSCH. Yes. I have to be careful what I say in detail be- cause there is an open whistleblower reprisal investigation on my behalf, and I do not want to compromise that investigation by pro- viding anything that may help provide somebody information. But it was very brutal and very unfortunate. Some of the tactics they used to hurt me both professionally and personally, to be quite frank. Yes. Mr. BURCHETT. It is very unfortunate. As they say, when you are over the target that is when they do the most firing at you. Do you have any personal knowledge of people who have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal these extraterrestrial tech- nology? Mr. GRUSCH. Yes, personally. Mr. BURCHETT. Have you heard—have anyone been murdered that you would—that you know of or have heard of, I guess? Mr. GRUSCH. I have to be careful asking that question. I directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities. Mr. BURCHETT. Maybe in a—if we could get in a confidential area, a SCIF, we could talk about that. But unfortunately, we were
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