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This is the printed record of a July 26, 2023 hearing of the House Oversight and Accountability Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, published by the U.S. Government Publishing Office as Serial No. 118-53. Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified about unidentified anomalous phenomena. Members pressed for government transparency, criticized AARO's classified budget and stigma against reporting, and Graves described a near miss with a dark cube inside a clear sphere.
18 They can track these, you know, so when you see them they could actually go and pull that data and get maneuvering. And in- stead of just having the airplanes, there is other data sources out there, and I have talked to other government officials on this. So, you need a centrally located repository that these reports go to. So, if you just stuck it in DoD, you would not get anything out of the Intelligence Committee because they have a tendency not to talk. But if you have got a central location where these reports are coming in, not just military but also commercial aviation because there is a lot of that going on, especially if you talk to anyone that flies from here to Hawaii over the Pacific, they see odd lights. So, I think you need to develop something that allows you a cen- tral point to collect the data in order to investigate. Mr. GARCIA. Mr. Graves? Mr. GRAVES. I will concur with everything Mr. Fravor said. I will continue to say that the commercial pilots that have reached out to me through Americans for Safe Aerospace are doing so because they do not feel there is another way for them to report this safety issue. Mr. GARCIA. And I think one of the clear outcomes of this hear- ing already is that there has to be a safe and transparent reporting process for pilots, both on the commercial side and the military side, to be able to report UAPs in a way that is also transparent but also understands the scope of our national security interests and what may be classified or not. But I think there has to be some sort of system and so that is something that I hope can be an outcome that this Committee can work on. Is there anything else just for the two of you briefly beyond this reporting system that you think that we can do as a government to encourage and facilitate more civilian reporting on this? Mr. GRAVES. I think we are doing it right now. Mr. GARCIA. OK. Great. Mr. GRAVES. I think this hearing is going to show the American people that their government takes this topic seriously. Mr. GARCIA. And how about civilians that may not be pilots? What kind of process could be in place for civilians who are not pi- lots who may have UAP encounters? Do either of you have any sug- gestions that could facilitate that? Mr. GRAVES. My recommendations would be to make that a sen- sor centric operation in order to make it as objective as possible. Mr. GARCIA. OK. Sir? Mr. Fravor? Commander FRAVOR. I agree with Mr. Graves on that. Mr. GARCIA. OK. Just briefly, I also just want to note for—par- ticularly for the two pilots and then a question for Mr. Grusch. One of the things that I found fascinating in our discussion, Mr. Graves, last night as well is that you both described UAPs and for- mations and the way they are observed in space or in our air and the way that they move, essentially, ways in which current tech- nology of our aircraft that we know of are unable to actually func- tion or move. And so will you just for the public record again, once again, just briefly just either describe or note that aircraft that we witnessed,
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