George Knapp written testimony

Later, Lear returned to KLAS and brought a stack of paper, and in that stack were dozens of pages of
legitimate documents, squeezed out of the U.S. government through the use of FOIA. The public has
been told, over and over, since the late 1940s that there is nothing to worry about, these things aren’t
real, they’re not a threat, the witnesses are crackpots.
But FOIA forced the Air Force, CIA, FBI, NASA, and other agencies to release thousands of pages of
internal memos and reports and candid assessments written in complete candor, long before anyone
knew FOIA would exist in the future. It was clear that what they told each other behind closed doors
was the opposite of what they told the public. They lied, and are still lying, to the public and to
Congress. The documents show that military and intelligence personnel admitted that, quote, “these are
real, not fictitious, that they fly in formation, are evasive, and outperform any aircraft known to exist,
including ours.”
That is what hooked me. I was ticked off that they were lying to us.
Given our time constraints, I won’t list key documents here but am forwarding a detailed list so you
can read them for yourself, including a report prepared for you, members of Congress, by the
Congressional Research Service. And I can recommend the names of a few highly credible UFO
document archives where members and staff can read the material for yourselves.
Topic Two: Crash Retrievals and Reverse Engineering Programs (They’re Real)
Back in 1989, I was not aware that I was diving into the deep end of the pool when I reported about
Bob Lazar and S-4, the place out near Area 51 where Lazar said there was a reverse engineering
program underway. I am well aware of the objections and questions about Lazar. It does not matter to
me whether people believe him or not, and I won’t litigate it yet again. If I did not believe him, I would
not still be reporting on his claims. KLAS News Director Robert Stoldal and I knew this investigation
was risky for the station, so we approached it cautiously. This was a potentially huge story, but we
needed more than just Lazar to move forward. And so we went to work. I appealed, on the air, and
asked people who had knowledge of this to contact me. And, over time, they did. I had more than two
dozen sources with bits and pieces of the same story who spoke to us. The most alarming development
in that process is that I spoke to six people, six in a row, on my phone in the newsroom, who agreed to
tell me their stories, some of them under the condition that we disguise their identities. And six people,
right in a row, were visited the very next day after speaking to me by government agents, security from
former employers, Men in Black types who essentially threatened them and told them to keep their
mouths shut. One of the people who agreed to speak to me had worked for a prominent defense
contractor. She told me about sitting in a meeting with Air Force officers in which they discussed
crashed UFOs. The people who came to see her after she spoke to me told her she was still subject to
her NDA, adding that they knew her daughter lived in L.A., that both she and her daughter would drive
to see each other on occasion, and then the two men in suits ended with this: “It’s a big desert out
there. It would be a shame if anything happened to either of you.” She was terrified. The idea that
someone would issue veiled death threats to this family was jarring to me and outrageous. Also
outrageous was the realization that someone had been listening to the phone in my office. It seemed
unlikely a judge would approve wiretaps of a news organization.
The first person I told, outside of our newsroom, about the story we were pursuing was Nevada Senator
Harry Reid, who would later become Senate Majority Leader. I worried he might think I was crazy, but