FBIS Coverage of the Middle East Peace Talks- 1978 September

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A N BA LEV INTERVIEWED ON CAMP DAVID TALKS
TA011823Y Jerusalem Domestic Service in Hebrew 1505 GMT 1 Sep 78 TA
[Interview with Knesset Foreign Affairs and Security Committee Chairman MK Moshe Arens
and Labor Party Secretary MK Hayyim Bar-Lev by Shalom Qital on the Weekly Newsreel pro-
gram--live]
[Text] On Sunday, the Israeli delegation headed by Prime Minister Menahem Begin willleave for the Camp David summit. How should Israel act during the meeting? Are there
signs of a breakthrough from the present deadend in the negotiatmonse We have called Ks
Moshe Arens and Hayyim Bar-Lev to our studio to discuss these and other questions The
moderator is our political correspondent, Shalom Qital.
[Qital] Gentlemen, it seems that less than a week before the convening of the Camp Davidsummit it is almost certain that a peace treaty will not be signed there. One can assume
that the parties definitely would not like to risk a serious blowup. In any case, the
forecast is that the only thing that will result from that meeting is the setting up o
the framework for the continuation off'the negotiations. Tnis, at least, is the opinion
of those who express a cautious evaluation prior to the meeting. If indeed this is so, -
Professor Arens, what framework for the continuation of the negotiations would you
be satisfied with, if it should be so determined at Camp David?
[Arens] I would be satisfied with any framework that would insure the sontinuaton ofthe contacts, free channels and the ability and the willingness to talk. I think that
here we are discussing a process which is by nature--as any agreement toward an arrange-
ment in the area--relatively long, and many more meetings will be necessary. What is
important is that all the parties agree, that is, Egypt--and certainly we agree to it--
that the framework will be created to enable the continuation of the negotiations which
are necessary so that we could--if possible--reach an arrangementt
(Qital] What is your view of success, Hayyim Bar-Lev?
[Bar-Lev] In my opinion, success will be achieved if the obstacle which is currently,and has been over the past few months, in the path of the negotiations between ourselves
and the Egyptians--the different positions with respect to the question of Judaea and
Samaria--is removed. If that is removed and the parties reach an understanding in principle
on the question of Judaea and Samaria and on the Palestinian question, and thus pe cie
road to negotiations between us and Egypt with the aim of eachin and agreemet .
would regard this as success. Any other thing, in my Opinion g a peace agreement, I
crises, but it will not prevent them.Perhaps postpone
Qtal] Mr Bar-Lev, how can this road be paved--on the issue of Judaea and Samaria--inpractical and concrete terms?
[I3ar-Lev] By having the Israeli Cabinet change its position, a position which maintainsthat sovereignty over any part of the territory of Judaea and Samaria should not betransferred to any Arab element. If the cabinet changes its position and says that it is
prepared to withdraw from territories in the West Bank in return for peace, though not to
the 1967 borders and without harming Israel's security-hae ontinuing tohold n to
and control territories which are vitalrtoloursseurity. f the cabinetsays thisd In to
believe it will be possible to reach a formula acceptable to As-Sadat as well.